Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by beaulabauve, Apr 18, 2020.
Who's on your Mt. Rushmore of craft beer?
We did that already
Who's on your Mount Rushmore of American craft beer?
(Sure, it's five years old but it takes a long time to chisel those heads onto the mountain and not so easy change. Not like moving a brewery from "Craft" to non-craft after a change of ownership.)
Ah. Thank you.
Well then, what if we carve a different mountain? Say the Crazy Horse sculpture of beer?
Tim Clifford/Adair Paterno
I think Jimmy Carter should be represented on the craft beer Mt. Rushmore. He freed us to brew.
Very disappointed that no one said Vinny from Russian River. Him, Sam from DFH and Koch from Sam Adams are the first three that come to mind
Shaun Hill for the “new age” brewers
Credit also goes the Representative William Steiger for introducing the bill, Sen. A Cranston amended it with the homebrew part, Carter signed it. It had more to do with trucking taxation.
---Pete Slosberg, quoted in the Denver Post [02/24/1999] 7 months after the sale of "Pete's" to Gambrinus (then one of two US importers of Corona, as well as the owner of Spoetzl).
The paper goes on to note that "...Since the sale, he has all the appearance of a marketing tool, not unlike Colonel Sanders and fried chicken." At the time of the sale, Pete's Wicked Ale (fermented with lager yeast) was brewed by 20M bbl. Stroh, 4th largest brewer in the US, which owned about 20% of the company.
One of the biggest myths going . As noted above by @hopfenunmaltz Carter merely signed a minor bill of changes in the tax code. How it was reported at the time:
As noted in the last sentence - "No arrests have ever been made..." There was no need to "Free" anyone. Homebrew clubs (among the backers of the change) and shops operated and advertised in the open, with articles on homebrewing frequently appearing in the local press and homebrewing books available in most any bookstore.
I said I going for the Crazy Horse, not the Rushmore......
For Pete's sake I was just making a lighthearted reference to the time when home brewing actually became a more popular thing. I know all the background about it already. I hereby retract my comment to include Carter. Obviously it's far too controversial. WTF !
Maybe a paper-mache likeness?
Wait. For Pete's or for Jimmy's?
Sorry, but not everyone does (it's repeated ad infinitum* around here) - that's what makes it a myth.
* As is my annoyingly frequent "opposing opinion" (I resisted all evening but come morning... oh, well).
Hey, maybe we should turn the topic around to "Who are the Cardiff Giants of Craft Beer?".
You're probably right that I shouldn't propagate the myth. To me it just refers to a time when brewing supplies suddenly became available in my neck of the woods. Seems most the great craft brewers started as home brewers.
Any list like this should have Fritz Maytag 1st. He showed that Americans were looking to enjoy better beer. Even more important that they were willing to PAY more to drink it.
The other 3 are
Jack Mc Alliffe
Drink most of my beer (at least 90%) brewed within the city or nearby states. Like drinking other beers when traveling and the great worldwide beers available in Chicago, but my go to beers are local and fresh.
Local Mount Rushmore (Chicago):
Goose Island: (1988) - John Hall & Greg Hall
Half Acre: (2006) - Gabriel Magliaro
Revolution: (2010) - John Deth & Jim Cibek
Spiteful: (2012) - Brad Shaffer & Jason Klein
Regional Mount Rushmore (Within 200 Miles):
Bell's: (1985 in Kalamazoo, MI) - Larry Bell
Three Floyds: (1996 in Hammond, IN) - Mike Floyd, Nick Floyd & Simon Floyd
Founders: (1997 in Grand Rapids, MI) - Mike Stevens & Dave Engbers
3 Sheeps: (2012 in Sheboygan, WI) - Grant Pauly
I would choose Raul, @TheIPAHunter , @superspak and @vabeerguy
I agree with @chrisjws from his post back in 2015:
obviously not an easy task, narrowing it down to just 4. I have always advocated for a Beer Hall of Fame.
Otto of Freising
Agilus & Eustace of Luxeuil
As said, it's very hard narrowing this down, but I think I can live with:
We'll have to squeeze all three Hanson brothers into the space normally occupied by just one head. I think that's fair. I can't imagine them not being on this list but I don't want them to take up 3/4 of it.
I thought about it and I still stand by my original picks. This is assuming we are talking American craft beer, or this gets way more complicated.
Fritz (as first as first can really get)
Greg Koch (hard boundary pusher, edgy advocate)
Jim Koch (mainstreamer, mainstream advocate)
Vinnie (game changing innovation)
Ken Grossman is one of my obvious omissions and that's meant as a disrespect to him as much as it's an acknowledgement of the included. Michael Jackson, the Halls and quite a few others are right on the edge of making my list but not quite. They're my second team all-craft.
Fritz is always there, since he's pretty much credited as "first" by most.
Greg Koch to me is the best embodiment of pushing the limits in a time where there wasn't some massive appetite for outlandish beer. These days there's a rabid fanbase waiting for the next extreme beer, back then it was crazy to put an American strong ale front and center. Being unapologetic and pushing tastes right on the edge of the mainstream is a huge reason we have what we have today.
Jim Koch because I came of age seeing Sam Adams commercials on TV putting out a message that sounded way more interesting than "find your beach", "wazzzzup" or whatever party nonsense was out there. He was on mainstream television advocating for craft. You'd see all kinds of variety from Sam Adams in stores. You could find mix packs with styles you'd never heard of. Bringing craft to the masses.
Vinnie is the one that was hardest because I think there's a few you can pick for this spot. There's been a handful of brewers who have pushed game changing innovation but he gets my pick because as I understand it, sour beer was barely a thing in the US 20 years ago. He's one of those brewers who made it work and we're all better off for it. He also gets credit for creating one of the single most influential IPAs that helped shift tastes even further down the happy hoppy road.
Which one was already eminent while the other's eminence was merely imminent?
After all these years Pliny is still #14 on the top 250 beers list, there’s a testament to not only the quality, but the staying power of a classic beer when everyone was and is chasing NEIPAS.
I'm going With Jackson, for sure; then,
Mine is fairly regional, reflecting what I had access to in Chicago back in the day before craft blew up.
John Hall from GI- how many breweries are there now from people who worked at Goose? It's like the beer version of a Bill Walsh coaching tree, if you worked for him, you can start your own successful brewery.
Jim Koch- Sam Adams was the 90s gateway to better beer
Nick Floyd- Three Floyds, Dark Lord Day. Was the hyped place around the time when hype started to mean something. Set the tone for what a beer festival should be and could be and what idiots are willing to pay and do
Larry Bell- Larry Bell, what more do you need to say? Guy took on stupid distributors in the mid 2000's and is still fighting the good fight against idiots.
Michael Jackson (pretty much invented beer styles as we currently know them, great evangalist, original beardy guy at the bar sniffing the beer and writing a review)
Charlie Papazian (homebrewing evangalist, founder of the Great American Beer Festival, American Homebrewers Association, Association of Brewers)
Jim Koch (you can't deny the reach Sam Adams has had, and how much it popularized the idea that good beer could be made in America to the masses)
Bert Grant (first one to up the hops!)
That would be my fearsome 4some.
Since I am terrible with remembering names I'm just going to do brands:
Stone and New Belgium are tied for a close 5th but those four, to me, were there in the beginning, set a standard, or changed the beer landscape in some way that has rippled throughout the industry.
I almost hate too ask for finding out something that tarnishes the reverence I have for this man, but why the disrespect for Ken Grossman?
Joe - not his son, Fred Huber?