Why does Houston get zero mind blowing Imperial Stouts?

Discussion in 'Southwest' started by Daemose, Sep 5, 2012.

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  1. maltmuncher

    maltmuncher Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2012

    Odd, cause for the most part I have been able to locate pretty much any "craft" item I have wanted within about a 30 mile radius of Dallas just by calling around. Now at times its only during "release" but its still items I can get--jsut have to drive for them a little farther than the "gas" station up the road. :astonished:
  2. maltmuncher

    maltmuncher Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2012

    To add to that at times places like whole foods & central market have been large helps and I think its cause the "beer" stores run out faster from people check with them first.

    Damn now I gave my secret away :(
  3. CellarGimp

    CellarGimp Disciple (331) Sep 14, 2011 Missouri

    I find Ten Fidy to be more dark fruit, vinous and almost port-like, than hoppy. Its such a pleasure to drink. Stone IRS and Yeti are way more bitter, but Stone ages incredibly well. 6 - 12 months on it and its just amazing. The rough edges come off and it really shines.

    BTW - Just drank a Sam Smiths Imperial Stout. Not mind blowing but a really nice, very English version. Not overly roasty, but again soft, fruity and good alcohol complexity given the relatively low strength at 7%.
  4. Daemose

    Daemose Devotee (426) Oct 3, 2011 Texas
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    Yeah, I had Sam Smith's a while back, honestly I don't remember what it tastes like though.

    Ten Fidy is good, I just prefer chocolatey, creamier stouts.
  5. pwsoldier

    pwsoldier Devotee (438) Apr 26, 2007 Texas

    I'm shocked that no one has mentioned Old Rasputin. World-class and easily available year-round. Ten Fidy and Brooklyn BCS are worth stocking up on as well (and probably more available out-of-season than some people realize). And I love all things Yeti.

    Beanbone is right, TX has come a very long way in the last 5 years in terms of craft beer. Hell, when I first got into craft beer in 2007, San Antonio had one very average brewery, one beer bar that was worth a shit, no Alon, no Spec's, no Gabriel's Superstore, and a small fraction of the out-of-state beers we see today. The ONLY Stone beers on the shelf were Arrogant Bastard and IPA. No Deschutes, no Brooklyn, no Boulevard, no Oskar Blues. Other cities were probably slightly better off than us *cough*Austin*cough*, but still barren compared to to today.

    SA now has three breweries and at least four more in the works, and I know other cities have seen similar or greater growth. Thanks to the recent change in label laws, the largest beer retailer in the city is literally running out of room for new beer (we're working to fix that though). There are plenty of bar/pub options for good beer. I went to Austin the other day and thought I was back on the East Coast more on more than one occasion (Banger's is amazing, btw). TX beer has come a very long way in a relatively short period of time, and watching the progression and even become involved in the retail market has been an incredible experience for me. There's always room for improvement, but I'm sure BA's in most other states feel the same way about their respective markets.
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  6. blatherbeard

    blatherbeard Initiate (0) Sep 30, 2007 Texas

    Nitro Left hand Milk stout?

    regular left hand milk stout?

    Im a hop hater, but i find Vampire Slayer and Blaecorn Unidragon pretty light on the hop forward taste of their other beers.

    Just a few suggestions if you had overlooked them as well.

    Id kill for ST mocha or Choklat.
  7. tigrstylz

    tigrstylz Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2012 Texas

    I think that the point (imho) is that Texas has access to the hop forward and JK stouts. Not traditional... Try the SS Buried Hatchet, LH Nitro/Milk Stout, Brooklyn Chocolate, Old Raspy.. Funny somebody mentioned it, MooHoo tastes like beer Ovaltine...delicious!!! Ask the bros for what your taste is in stouts are and they will lead you well.... Albeit, not Imperials..
  8. lindsey624

    lindsey624 Initiate (120) Feb 14, 2009 Texas

    Or you could travel and drink all of the freshest imperial stouts that market has to offer. Then come back to houston and drink as many local, fresh brews as possible. Who knows, drink more of the local beer and maybe they'll listen and brew you that super dank imperial stout that for some reason you can't currently find here. I'm sure shipping a beer via fedex is how Founders expects you to enjoy breakfast stout to it's fullest extent
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  9. Daemose

    Daemose Devotee (426) Oct 3, 2011 Texas
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    Obviously, :rolling_eyes:.
  10. Daemose

    Daemose Devotee (426) Oct 3, 2011 Texas
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    Those are all good beers, but I think blatherbeard's last sentence summed my feelings up just now.
  11. kevinscott

    kevinscott Aspirant (224) Oct 21, 2008 Texas

    A few more stouts to look out for:
    (512) Cascabel Cream Stout - 2012 batch was fantastic, but I didn't like the 2011 (winter/spring? seasonal)
    Austin Beerworks Sputnik - big coffee stout (winter seasonal)
    Clown Shoe's Chocolate Sombrero
  12. drummermattie02

    drummermattie02 Crusader (730) May 10, 2009 Texas
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    Not sure where to even start here…

    OK, moving along.

    With a little bit of legwork, this is actually a pretty easy beer to get now. Just keep your eyes open when it is released in late fall.

    49 out of 50 states do not get Surly, and the only imperial stout they make is tough to get even in MN.

    First, if you think less than $8 per bomber equivalent is ridiculous for a beer, then most imperial stouts are probably not in the cards for you. Give Ten Fidy 2 years and I suspect you might feel differently about it.

    Ultimately, I get it. You want beers you can’t get here and they taste better to you as a result. That’s fine, we’ve all been there; hell, I’m still there on even-numbered days. But I’m sure you see the problem, right? Make these beers available in TX, and their taste falls off; that imperial stout begins to taste too roasty/burnt/chocolaty/creamy/hoppy for you, and you seek out the next best thing from outside of your distribution area.

    So do you really want more mind-blowing imperial stouts in Houston? Because I think it’s pretty evident from this thread that we already have quite a few, for all palates.
  13. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    It's not that good. I actually got one as a throw in and have it sitting at home. It's way too sweet.

    Southern Star Creme Brûlée Buried Hatchet on the other hand was awesome!

    Also, Southern Tier is easy to trade for. In the last month I've picked up:
    Creme Brûlée
    Cuvée 1
    Cuvée 3
    Barrel Aged Backburner

    All with locals
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  14. johnsaulrubio

    johnsaulrubio Initiate (195) Dec 2, 2006 Texas
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    Go grab a case of Courage Russian Imperial Stout, put it away for a year, and drink it over the following 4 years.

    You're welcome.
  15. ChanChan

    ChanChan Devotee (469) Dec 12, 2009 California
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    Do you get Old Rasputin in Houston? Its obviously not a limited release but it is an awesome non-barrel aged Imperial Stout! Try it next to a Ten Fidy and you won't be disappointed!
  16. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    We get Raspy! It's yum!
  17. greenspointexas

    greenspointexas Champion (865) Jan 16, 2011 Texas
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    IMO, this is the best RIS available in Texas. Excellent stuff
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  18. JCDenver

    JCDenver Initiate (142) Feb 8, 2010 Texas
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    We get all the LOF beers.
  19. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    I'll have to seek this out. Never even heard of it. :grimacing:

    Also, people need to try Outer Darkness by Squatters. That's a solid RIS as well.
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  20. jamescain

    jamescain Meyvn (1,001) Jul 14, 2009 Texas
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    Dont forget that rarity plays a large factor in the taste of an RIS :relaxed:
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  21. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    Nah, BA B.O.R.I.S. tastes just fine... :grinning:
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  22. jamescain

    jamescain Meyvn (1,001) Jul 14, 2009 Texas
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    I honestly prefer the regular BORIS to the BA version
  23. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    I'll have to grab a bottle when I'm in MI next month.

    I have a BA and 100th Batch at home right now. Maybe a side by side later for fun.

    All I know is the BA is awesome.

    I'd love to find a DORIS too. And if fate shines on me, a BORIS Royale and Naked Evil. :grinning:
  24. pwsoldier

    pwsoldier Devotee (438) Apr 26, 2007 Texas

    Best. Utah beer. Period.
  25. NewGeneric

    NewGeneric Initiate (0) Apr 25, 2009 California

    I would take a lot of Uinta or Epic beers over just about any Squatters beer.
  26. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    Have you had Outer Darkness?
  27. NewGeneric

    NewGeneric Initiate (0) Apr 25, 2009 California

    Yes, I have. Very underwhelming to me. Ever tried Uinta Labyrinth or Epic Imperial Stout or Epic Big Bad Baptist?
  28. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2012 Texas


    Send some and I'll try it. :relaxed: We can't get that in Texas. :(

    Your comment sounded more like you were comparing breweries instead of the actual beers.
  29. NewGeneric

    NewGeneric Initiate (0) Apr 25, 2009 California

    Beermail me and we'll discuss.

    Gotcha. I only meant that there were a lot of better beers in Utah than just about any Squatters beer (including Outer Darkness).
  30. thirdeye11

    thirdeye11 Disciple (397) Feb 3, 2009 Texas
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    The real question is, did you ever have Outer Darkness when it was made by the original brewer? Different beer completely. Better than Labyrinth and Big Bad Baptist. I'll give you that the current Outer Darkness and Big Bad Baptist are probably close for me.
  31. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    I wish I had if you think it was better than the current version. :relaxed:
  32. NewGeneric

    NewGeneric Initiate (0) Apr 25, 2009 California

    Hmmm...perhaps not. It's been at least 2-3 years since I've had it. Was the packaging different? When I google it, there are 2 different labels - one all black, and the other with yellow trim. I had it with yellow trim.
  33. thirdeye11

    thirdeye11 Disciple (397) Feb 3, 2009 Texas
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    My quick take on this subject, is that no matter what our Texas distribution was, you would probably be dissatisfied with the result. At the end of the day, we'd all love to have Founders KBS, Bells Expedition, Alesmith Speedway Stout, Dieu du Ciel Peche Mortel and Goose Island Bourbon County Stout. The truth of the matter is though, these beers are already at capacity in their markets, and they're unable to satisfy current demand in those markets. What about these, which ARE available here:

    Stone Imperial Russian Stout
    Oak Aged Yeti
    Chocolate Yeti
    Espresso Yeti
    The Abyss
    Old Rasputin
    Ten Fidy
    Old Rasputin Bourbon Barrel Anniversary Stout
    Victory Storm King
    Avery Uncle Jacob's

    You're probably wondering why I listed off 11 beers that everyone has already mentioned. To put it succinctly, these are 11 of the top 100 Imperial Stouts (as measured by at least one website) available in the entire world, and all of them are available right here in your own backyard.

    It would probably be remiss of me not to mention Brooklyn Black Chocolate Stout as well, as one of the very best out there. For the price, you simply can't beat it anywhere. Do what others have suggested and buy a case or two this winter when it comes out, then you've got some for the whole year. At $8/4-pack, I don't think anyone will disagree that it's the best value in an imperial stout anywhere.

    Beer is a journey, not a destination. Enjoy it. If everything was available right here year round, then those special moments when you come across your first Bell's Expedition Stout or KBS won't be nearly as special. Enjoy what you have, not worrying about what you don't. It will make seeking out those special experiences even better.

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  34. thirdeye11

    thirdeye11 Disciple (397) Feb 3, 2009 Texas
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    Yup, you've had the beer as brewed by their new brewer. Nothing wrong with it, but it's just not nearly as good as their original brewer. The original brewer created the recipe and has since left Squatters. The new labels have the yellow ring, the old ones were all black with red eyes only.
  35. thirdeye11

    thirdeye11 Disciple (397) Feb 3, 2009 Texas
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    Unfortunately I don't have any left, wish I had one to share with you.
  36. NewGeneric

    NewGeneric Initiate (0) Apr 25, 2009 California

    That explains it. Even the packaging looks better for the older one :stuck_out_tongue:
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  37. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    I've never seen or heard of BA Old Rasputin being available in Houston. I've had it on several occasions, but didn't think it came to TX. Is it DFW only?
  38. canadianghetto

    canadianghetto Initiate (0) Oct 15, 2011 Texas
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    It came to Houston. Probably 10 cases or so. Obviously flew off the shelf pretty quick. It came here a few months after it had been widely available everywhere else.
  39. thirdeye11

    thirdeye11 Disciple (397) Feb 3, 2009 Texas
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    We definitely got some in Dallas/Fort Worth area. Unsure if Houston specifically got this or not. Normally anything from North Coast would be available state wide if it was in one market. I know that's not always the case, but generally true.
  40. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    I'll have to stalk the XV!
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