Why does Pizza Port lose so many brewers?

Discussion in 'Pacific' started by sandiego67, Jun 11, 2013.

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  1. sandiego67

    sandiego67 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2008 California

    I love the place and go to many of their events and outings but I wonder if they are tough to work for?

    They have lost more brewing talent over the years than most breweries see in a lifetime.

    Success breeds success so I am guessing that the brewers are highly sought after by competitors.
     
  2. besaunders

    besaunders Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2007 California

    I think a lot of people learn the ropes at the various Pizza Ports, but it probably is unfair to say this is a unique problem - there is a lot of fluidity across most of the breweries.
     
  3. heresy22

    heresy22 Devotee (435) Apr 9, 2007 California
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    It is probably that. They learn a lot, have some success, and someone else comes calling with a better deal.
     
  4. SaigonDaze

    SaigonDaze Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2012 California

    When you get offered more $$ and ownership interest, that sounds like a good reason to move on.
     
  5. Earlycsquid

    Earlycsquid Zealot (530) Jan 7, 2013 California
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    They're the minor leagues of beer. Yeah, they crank out a great product and the quality is there. But without proper distribution, they probably can't pay all that much. Like others have said - when the big leagues come calling, then you go out and take those deals.
     
  6. tyrsis

    tyrsis Disciple (320) Mar 13, 2009 California
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    Big leagues? Saint Archer ain't the big leagues. They probably have the capital (now) to pay Yiga, but that brewery isn't going to do much of anything in SD.

    They already have a bad rep with a lot of people.
     
  7. besaunders

    besaunders Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2007 California


    You have seem to have some misconceptions. There are Pizza Port restaurant/brewpubs (of which there are 4, soon to be 5), and there is Port Brewing. The brewpubs make enough beer for their own places, distribution to other Pizza Ports (guest taps), and a few select bars in town (e.g. Toronado). They do not bottle their beer. It isn't about distribution. They aren't competing. Port Brewing spits out some of the more popular Pizza Port beers that have been developed over the years, but as far as I know they don't really have a head brewer associated with them (I suspect it is a combination of Tomme and the brewer that developed the beer - if they are still on good terms with Pizza Port).

    The main point is that Pizza Port isn't *trying* to compete. I doubt Vince tries to keep people on by giving them raises (and why should he - his business model has worked over time). Pizza Port and a brewing company are different entities, and it is not a big league / little league thing. Your main point is true, though - there probably is a ceiling associated with working at Pizza Port. More freedom, but less money.
     
  8. besaunders

    besaunders Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2007 California


    My bet is that they hired Yiga and fired Ray, but we won't read that anywhere. But if they let Yiga develop some interesting stuff, they have my ear for now.
     
  9. pinkgrenade

    pinkgrenade Aspirant (245) Aug 19, 2011 California
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    wait, ray isn't at saint archer anymore?
     
  10. besaunders

    besaunders Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2007 California


    Guess you aren't keeping up with Brandon H's brewing gossip column,Pinkie. On Friday, he broke a story about Ray leaving St. Archer. Yesterday, he broke a story about Yiga being hired by St. Archer.

    I don't believe it happened in that order.
     
  11. rrryanc

    rrryanc Disciple (310) May 19, 2006 California
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    I think you missed his whole metaphor, as the final point (a ceiling existing) is the entire point of the minor league comparison. It wasn't comparing distributions, it was that if where you're working doesn't distribute that you have a limit to your exposure and "success."

    In baseball, minor leagues do "compete," but are at their core basically feeder organizations for the big league clubs. While you might have a great time playing low-stress baseball on the Sacramento River Cats, you're not going to make it to country-wide fame or success sticking with them. Similarly, Pizza Port does "compete" with other brewing operations (hence the many medals from GABF), but they're not a place where you're going to make a widely distributed and well-known product either, and probably have a very limited earning potential (I'd assume that head-brewer at a place like St. Archer would get an equity stake. If they're not, then I think they're doing it wrong).
     
  12. pinkgrenade

    pinkgrenade Aspirant (245) Aug 19, 2011 California
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    i dont have facebook and hate checking my twitter. i miss everything. that makes me happy for him kinda
     
  13. tyrsis

    tyrsis Disciple (320) Mar 13, 2009 California
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    You sure like checking Instagram though
     
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  14. pinkgrenade

    pinkgrenade Aspirant (245) Aug 19, 2011 California
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    the only thing i like checking! :slight_smile:
     
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  15. sandiego67

    sandiego67 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2008 California

    Went to the soft opening of Pizza Port Bressi Ranch tonight. It was packed as expected. They aren't missing a beat.
     
  16. usofar

    usofar Initiate (0) Dec 23, 2010 California

    Any mention on when they are going to start canning?
     
  17. Thirsty_Rob

    Thirsty_Rob Initiate (0) Oct 7, 2012 California
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    You know, I'm not sure, but I like how you know the difference between lose and loose. Cheers!
     
  18. olibeer22

    olibeer22 Initiate (153) May 2, 2007 California

    I heard the canning line should be up and running by the end of summer.
     
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  19. SaigonDaze

    SaigonDaze Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2012 California

    Yes, the free beers were great! Place is going to kill it.
     
  20. sandiego67

    sandiego67 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2008 California


    I missed the free beer. They kept asking me for cash.
     
  21. besaunders

    besaunders Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2007 California


    Maybe they didn't like this thread you started. :slight_smile:
     
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