Why I hate CA growler laws

Discussion in 'Pacific' started by Arbitrator, Sep 3, 2012.

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  1. Arbitrator

    Arbitrator Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2008 California

    This isn't a productive post at all. It's just a pictorial rant on why I hate CA growler laws. Post your own collection.


    (This doesn't include another 5 growlers coming back to me.)
  2. biglobo8971

    biglobo8971 Devotee (480) May 6, 2010 Minnesota
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    I used to have that problem, not because of growler laws, but because that is all I traded for. I now give quite a few away, and use the other swing top growlers to infuse olive oils. Have done quite a few with garlic and basil, just basil, and other spices.
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  3. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Poo-Bah (12,204) Mar 18, 2010 California

    Preach on man. I only have 1 growler and I refuse to buy any more until something changes with the law.
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  4. Arbitrator

    Arbitrator Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2008 California

    I saw you post about olive oil infusion before and decided to try it. The problem is that I frequently send out RR / Drake's growlers and almost never get them back, so I don't want to contaminate them with oil. But I think I've found a new use for my Moylan's / 21A / Marin / Free State glasses.
  5. jl28r1

    jl28r1 Zealot (511) Jan 10, 2011 Texas

    I bet you wouldn't trade any beer laws with Texas! It's slowly getting better but it still blows.
    I'll trade you a Freetail growler for one of the RR ones (not that you could use it :slight_frown:)
  6. biglobo8971

    biglobo8971 Devotee (480) May 6, 2010 Minnesota
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    glad someone else is using them for that. I have given several away and have gotten really good responses from it. I just did a basil pesto'ish (roasted pine nuts and basil) and that has become a favorite.
  7. DrAwkward82

    DrAwkward82 Initiate (55) Apr 16, 2005 California

    Why I hate CA growler laws: I'll be going to Las Vegas next weekend, and I realized that at Aces and Ales I could get growler fills of great West Coast brews like Victory At Sea Coffee Vanilla, Big Eye IIPA or Velvet Merlin all under one roof in any container I bring in, while I couldn't get a growler of any of those here in town despite living in the state in which they're brewed.
  8. hophead247

    hophead247 Disciple (370) Jan 27, 2008 California
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    Big Eye isn't a IIPA.
  9. womencantsail

    womencantsail Poo-Bah (5,884) May 25, 2008 California
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    I would have had you shamed, Mihir, but I just got rid of about 30 growlers when I moved. I kept a handful, but even that is still more than I'd care to have.
  10. IceAce

    IceAce Champion (859) Jan 8, 2004 California

    Different laws and KK.

    THAT is a winning combination!!!
  11. stupac2

    stupac2 Zealot (518) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    I don't want to think about what my collection would look like if I got the ones I sent out back. As it stands I have 3 RR, 1 Drake's, 2 Kern, 1 Alpine, and two random out-of-state ones that I use for watering plants. This is after recycling a bunch.
  12. tozerm

    tozerm Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2005 Washington

    Just out of curiosity, does CA allow you to use unbranded growlers?
  13. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    just out of curiosity, what was your takeaway from the original post?
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  14. litheum94

    litheum94 Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2008 California

    I don't have a pic, but I feel your pain. I hate our growler laws.

    One of the best things about my trip to Bend was that I was able to bring my Magnolia growler and get it filled wherever I wanted. That meant I could drink fresh beer the whole weekend and come home with a bunch of bottles.
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  15. litheum94

    litheum94 Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2008 California

    The extra "I" stands for Impressive.
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  16. tozerm

    tozerm Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2005 Washington

    Someone needs to get their mouth washed out with stale beer.
  17. womencantsail

    womencantsail Poo-Bah (5,884) May 25, 2008 California
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    You'll have to do better than that...Levitation is accustomed to hearing substantially worse on an hourly basis.
  18. vurt

    vurt Crusader (750) Apr 11, 2004 Oregon

    Looks like I've got 11 stashed in my pantry:
    • BJ's Brewhouse (x2)
    • Pizza Port
    • Hollister
    • Lengthwise
    • Rock Bottom
    • Hoghaus (Fayetteville, AR)
    • Eagle Rock
    • Golden Road
    • Kern River
    • Indian Wells (obviously the pride of my collection) :wink:
  19. sbuysse

    sbuysse Initiate (133) Sep 30, 2005 Arizona

  20. womencantsail

    womencantsail Poo-Bah (5,884) May 25, 2008 California
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    The fact that you went to Indian Wells is somewhat impressive to me. I know it can be "on the way" to Kern, depending on how you go, but it's still not really on the way.
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  21. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    sorry, but i asked out of genuine curiosity. the op posted a picture of at least a couple dozen growlers, several of which are visibly multiples, and mentioned that he hates ca growler laws. i'm curious what inference you drew from that if not something about the laws demanding redundancy in growler purchases. what was your interpretation?
  22. womencantsail

    womencantsail Poo-Bah (5,884) May 25, 2008 California
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    Other than vurt, who I just learned about, the only other two people I know who purposely went to Indian Wells knowing what they were doing are largadeer and chswimmer. Those two going doesn't entirely surprise me...vurt going does.
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  23. tozerm

    tozerm Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2005 Washington

    I wasn't interpreting anything.. hence the question. As I'm not from CA and never bought a growler there, let's just say I'm uninitiated in the process there. The thought process that was going on in my mind related to the idea of having a blank growler with a piece of masking tape on it where you could write the name of the brewery, then I realized the law probably has some inane bit about the label being permanently affixed to the growler, etc. Up here in the Great Northwest, the laws don't force us to practice label discrimination.
  24. vacax

    vacax Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2008 California
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    I am shocked to learn that Indian Wells and BJs even have growlers. Not to put them in the same category or anything.
  25. mactrail

    mactrail Poo-Bah (7,720) Mar 24, 2009 Washington
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    I have a big Ford Taurus. I just need to fill the trunk with dividers to keep the growlers from jostling each other. You arrive at a brewpub, say Black Market in Temecula, and you pull your map out of the glove box, ah here it is, space J-11. This is why we need our state legislators to spend more time writing legislation according to what they thought they heard those MADD ladies saying at Happy Hour...
  26. mactrail

    mactrail Poo-Bah (7,720) Mar 24, 2009 Washington
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    Dang, that fresh Lobotomy Bock is stacked up in the metal shed. Why doesn't the ATF or maybe USPS look into these people for fraud.
  27. sunkistxsudafed

    sunkistxsudafed Initiate (0) Apr 30, 2010 New Mexico

    I have 2 growlers, one clear and one dark. The clear one is from a brewery that used to only fill their own growlers (il vic here in ABQ) and all they had were clear... but their beer is amazing so i settled. The dark one is from La Cumbre which i purchased once they opened. I want one of the new 'fancy' swing top ones from il vic, but haven't gotten around to it. I would seriously feel stupid buying a new growler every time.
  28. DougOLis

    DougOLis Initiate (185) Aug 15, 2008 California

    Alpine - 7 (used to have more but a few have disappeared to various friends)
    Lost Abbey/Port - 4
    Pizza Port - 2
    Stone - 2
    Ballast Point - 2
    Alesmith - 2
    Green Flash - 2
    Karl Strauss - 2
    Mother Earth - 2
    Iron Fist - 1
    Hess - 1
    The Bruery - 2
    Mammoth - 4
    Yazoo - 1
    Mikkeller - 1
    Brewdog - 1

    I think that's all of them. There could be others.
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  29. pinkgrenade

    pinkgrenade Aspirant (245) Aug 19, 2011 California
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  30. bradfordjohnson

    bradfordjohnson Initiate (0) Jun 18, 2012 Kentucky
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    I believe CA laws say that breweries can only fill their own branded growlers with their beer. No unbranded. No other brands. One thing I'm not sure on is whether they can be re-used. If I had to guess I'd say yes...which makes me wonder why someone would have so many multiples of the same brewery.

    Related: http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/fancy-growlers-please-stop.25554/
  31. aleindustries

    aleindustries Initiate (0) Nov 1, 2008 California

    Here is the CA law from the ABC web site.
    At Ale Industries Tap Room we will fill any growler, but we apply a
    label on the growler that contains all the pertinent info. This could be done
    by all breweries here in CA. Many are worried about the next section which states....

    However this clearly applies to "wooden or fiber board" crates that are no longer
    used in the industry. The "returnable beer container" is what has people freaked out.
    The state always refers to a bottle as a package though.
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  32. coreyfmcdonald

    coreyfmcdonald Savant (953) Nov 13, 2008 Georgia
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    I completely understand your frustration, but in GA we cannot buy growlers from breweries or brewpubs.
  33. shadowane

    shadowane Aspirant (204) Sep 7, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Funny enough, my wife and I collect growlers. We're up to 45 at this point. The idea of needing a specific brewery's growler wouldn't affect me at all.
  34. stupac2

    stupac2 Zealot (518) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    It has always seemed to me that doing this is perfectly legal, but most breweries don't half out of fear that it'll turn out to be illegal and half because selling glass makes them some money. I'm glad that there's someone who's doing the obvious thing.
  35. leedorham

    leedorham Crusader (701) Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    All you CA types should copy-paste this and email it to every brewery that isn't doing this.
  36. flexabull

    flexabull Poo-Bah (2,289) Mar 9, 2006 California
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    A brewery up in Humboldt did this when I filled a blank growler a few weeks ago, they just taped a sheet of paper with the government warning and the brewery info onto it.
  37. John_M

    John_M Moderator (5,662) Oct 25, 2003 Oregon
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    Yes. Years ago, that's what happened when I had the folks at St. Stan fill a mason jar I'd gotten from Seabright brewing in Santa Cruz. I had no idea what they were doing, but they slapped on a label with the brewery and gov't info, which they indicated made everything legal. The whole thing peeled off the jar about 30 minutes after I left (it didn't fit on the jar very well), but apparently that was still sufficient to get around the gov't regulations.
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  38. tozerm

    tozerm Initiate (0) Jul 1, 2005 Washington

    Hmmm.. seems to me that breweries could simply have a boilerplate, written release to avoid entanglements surrounding this portion. For example if there are 10 breweries in a given geographic area, all ten could simply give the written permission to each other and have it on file at all 10 of the breweries.
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  39. pokgye

    pokgye Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2011 California

    A new Russian River growler is what $6 extra with a fill? <<though RRBC is probably on the cheap end>>. I can't imagine they are making much money off the growlers. And then there is the whole hassel of storing empty growlers. I believe this is mostly ignorance, legacy and not wanting to make growler fills any more of a pain in the ass for the people behind the bar than it already is.

    I may take a trip up to Oregon sometime next year, glad to hear I can bring my own glass.

    Someone should start a thread on interesting things to do with empty growlers from out of state breweries.
  40. Arbitrator

    Arbitrator Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2008 California

    This has always struck me as an obvious solution, but almost no one does it. I'll definitely send e-mails out to some local breweries and bring it to their attention.

    Drake's charges $10 for the same form factor as RR, don't they? I imagine SOME profit is involved.

    They can be reused. I have multiples because I generally buy the growlers and ship them out one-way. Sometimes my trading partners return them in bulk. Counting what's in the fridge and what is returning to me, I'll break 30 before the end of the month.
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