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Widmer Brothers/Cigar City Gentlemens Club

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by beenitty, Jun 26, 2013.

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  1. beenitty

    beenitty Initiate (0) Nov 27, 2010 New Jersey

    Their collaboration brew with a few variants came out a few weeks ago but I'm not seeing any reviews.

    It sounds insane, anyone seen/tried this?
  2. mdfb79

    mdfb79 Poo-Bah (4,839) Jan 11, 2010 New York
    Beer Trader

    All 3 were on tap last night at Pony Bar in NYC...I didn't make it over but plan on stopping by tonight to try them.
  3. beenitty

    beenitty Initiate (0) Nov 27, 2010 New Jersey

    True. Im thinking about stopping there too but Widmer Bros. stuff I've had has been super dissapointing, hopefully CCB can bring up their game
  4. derftron

    derftron Disciple (330) Feb 8, 2012 Oregon

    I went to the release party here in Portland, OR at the Widmer brewhaus. All 3 varieties were very very good / great. I personally like the Bourbon version, but the Rye and New Oak were also outstanding. Another cool part of the event was the fact that Cigar City brought 10 of their beers to tap as well and I was able to try Jai Alai, Tocobaga, and a few others (they do not distribute out to the West Coast).

    Widmer was definitely helped by CCB on this, as they do not rank in the top breweries in Portland (although they are the biggest and most successful). Although a lot of stuff that they only release at the brewery and do not bottle can be pretty good.

    As for a review on Gentlemens club Bourbon, I will say this.

    It is an old-sytle ale. The bourbon is front and center. Mouthfeel is somewhat like a dark belgian, think Abt 12. Pours dark brown and was served in a tulip. ABV is at 10.5% and a 12oz pour will get you going for sure

    It has been 3 weeks since I had it, so I will write a proper review once it is up on the site. I bought all 3 bottles for $50 and have them stashed at the house to age until a special occassion.

    Hope more people get to try this beer. it is really outstanding.
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  5. hopsputin

    hopsputin Meyvn (1,082) Apr 1, 2012 New Jersey

    ^^^ exactly my thoughts. I've been real disappointed with the Widmer that I've had
  6. jzeilinger

    jzeilinger Poo-Bah (4,861) Dec 4, 2004 Pennsylvania
    Supporter Beer Trader

    That does sound really good. Haven't seen it around yet.
  7. Jayeblue24

    Jayeblue24 Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2012 Idaho

    I think widmer does have some underrated brews tho...their Imperial Stouts are mosdef awesome....i had sum W 11 bout a month ago n my oh my it was great:wink:
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  8. derftron

    derftron Disciple (330) Feb 8, 2012 Oregon

    yeah. there is a big difference between the stuff Widmer produces for the masses, and the stuff they can create in their taproom. They were bought out by Anheuser Busch a few years back and so it seems they have a mandate to ship the hell out of 5-6 beers that are pretty average. But they can do some great small release stuff when they want to and have some talented brewers on staff
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  9. socon67

    socon67 Poo-Bah (1,635) Jun 18, 2010 New York

    Talk about an odd collaboration. What's next, Russian River\Saranac or Three Floyds\Shipyard?
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  10. derftron

    derftron Disciple (330) Feb 8, 2012 Oregon

    ha ha. I did have to do a double take when I heard about it. The Widmer bros. do have a lot of respect within the industry though. one of the first to do it (craft) and obviously the most successful (they are gazillionaires now). they gave a seminar the night before on barrel aging along with the Cigar City brewmaster and they make a ton of cool stuff that they either keep for themselves or release in teeny-tiny batches at their taproom. ALthough I could name 10+ breweries in Portland alone that consistently make better beer than Widmer (at least what is released), a lot of those guys got their shot and inspiration from what Widmer has built on their own.

    and with that, I am anxiously awaiting the collaboration between Alesmith and PBR
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  11. Keepmywitbieraboutme

    Keepmywitbieraboutme Initiate (0) Apr 24, 2013 New York

    Upper east side or hells kitchen?
  12. mdfb79

    mdfb79 Poo-Bah (4,839) Jan 11, 2010 New York
    Beer Trader

    Upper East Side...there are also about another 15 beers by CC or Widmer on tap.
  13. kojevergas

    kojevergas Poo-Bah (7,227) Aug 15, 2010 Colorado
    Beer Trader

    I actually thought Widmer did some interesting work in their "best of the Widmer brothers" variety box. Prior to that, I hadn't had anything of note from them.
  14. Uniobrew31

    Uniobrew31 Zealot (551) Jan 16, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    WTF I thought this was going to be a forum on a brewpub/titty bar combo! Hey, that gives me an awesome business idea!
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  15. afksports

    afksports Defender (637) Aug 22, 2010 New York
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    Does anyone know if this is draught-only in NYC? Looks like bottles were released at Widmer, and I'd expect the same at CCB. NYC seems to be the only city outside of those two locations getting it - just unsure of the formats.
  16. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Defender (631) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado
    Beer Trader

    Yeah, but you're going to need craft tits. I hope you know how expensive those can be.
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  17. Stugotzo

    Stugotzo Initiate (0) Jun 13, 2012 Florida

    They're expensive because they're worth it.
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  18. SeaAle

    SeaAle Disciple (398) Jun 24, 2012 Oregon
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    ABinBev only owns around 30% of CBA, so are only a minority owner. AB isn't controlling Widmer at all.
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  19. derftron

    derftron Disciple (330) Feb 8, 2012 Oregon

    maybe not controlling. but there were changes after the "merger". labels changed and the distribution seemed more focused with their top 4 beers.
  20. SeaAle

    SeaAle Disciple (398) Jun 24, 2012 Oregon
    Beer Trader

    Widmer doesn't seem to know what they want their labels to look like. They just changed them again.
  21. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Savant (957) Mar 17, 2009 Washington
    Beer Trader

    I'm surprised there aren't more collaborations like this. It can give an opportunity to small brewers to show their skills to the masses and maybe relieve some hate against huge corporate breweries that people think are out of touch with the craft.
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  22. Bigtwin

    Bigtwin Initiate (0) Sep 13, 2010 Michigan
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    I just had the bourbon barrel one land on my Porch. Super excited to try it in a couple of weeks.
  23. jtdolla911

    jtdolla911 Initiate (0) Nov 18, 2011 Massachusetts
    Beer Trader

    on that note, at the Festival there was a collaboration between Three Floyds and Brodie's Beers which is an English brewery not available over here.

    It was an ESB with American hops and was really good, but I thought it was a really random collabo.
  24. BKBassist

    BKBassist Devotee (434) Jan 24, 2013 New York

    Just had all 3. Admitted CCB fanboy and Widmer skeptic.

    Overall impressions were positive if not super impressed. I thought all 3 were drinkable and would have again, but nothing I would go out of my way for. I think all might do well with some age. The bourbon was the most flavorful fresh. All reminded me of Innis & Gunn's take on BA beers, with a hint more complexity. None matched what I have had in the best BA beers, but I think they are solid and if priced right would be purchases/cellar candidates.
  25. mdfb79

    mdfb79 Poo-Bah (4,839) Jan 11, 2010 New York
    Beer Trader

    Interesting to see different people's opinions.

    I also had all three variants last night at Pony Bar in NYC and just added them to the Widmer page. I went in thinking I would like Bourbon the best, but actually ranked them:
    1. New Oak
    2. Rye
    3. Bourbon

    Bourbon was the fruitiest version to me, and while the bourbon was there, it was not overpowering.

    Rye had a great mouthfeel, smoother than the bourbon version. The nose was similar to the bourbon version, but the taste had much less fruit and more whiskey, though again I did not find it overpowering at all.

    New Oak was by far my favorite. This one had a very similar mouthfeel to the rye version, a slightly better taste, and a much better nose. Tons of caramel malts and toffee and much less fruit.

    A little surprised to hear people say they think these will age great and be better in a few years, as I didn't find them very bourbon/whiskey forward, and didn't think the alcohol was too much in any of them. I drank 8 oz. pours and had no problem with them...don't think they need time personally.
  26. Justinlikesbeer

    Justinlikesbeer Initiate (0) May 23, 2013 Florida

    Are these bottles hitting mass distro?
  27. MADPolo

    MADPolo Initiate (0) Dec 19, 2012 Alabama

    They are already seeing Distro in Tampa. ABC, Luekens, etc.
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