Wildly inconsistent breweries

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  1. RBassSFHOPit2ME

    RBassSFHOPit2ME Initiate (0) Mar 1, 2009 California
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    Port Brewing / Lost Abbey should be the posterboy brewery for this thread....and I'm not just talking uncarbonated beer here.
     
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  2. Beerwolf666

    Beerwolf666 Initiate (0) Aug 9, 2013 Maryland

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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,748) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Well, let me first state that I do not support drinking local simply because it is local.

    One aspect that I appreciate about drinking local beer is that for my area I can readily obtain fresh beer. There is quick turnover of locally brewed packaged beer at my local beer retailers.

    And needless to say but drinking at the brewery/brewpub you are guaranteed of drinking fresh beer.

    I am fortunate that there are a lot of breweries/brewpubs in my area that brew high quality beer.

    Cheers!
     
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  4. leantom

    leantom Initiate (0) Nov 20, 2011 Indiana

    Q: Do you mean consistency in terms of one of the brewery's products (i.e., a certain beer is good, then bad, then good again)?

    Or do you mean consistency in terms of producing good different beers?
     
  5. IpaBeerDrinkers

    IpaBeerDrinkers Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2014 California

    Both really, but I more so meant within a given title. So for example ABC Ipa is great 1 batch, OK next batch, good, terrible etc
     
  6. Ranbot

    Ranbot Defender (675) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania

    Please define what quality means to you or in this context. Quality is a confusing term on this site because many people think it means whether or not they like the taste of a beer; and other people think it means the ability of a brewer consistently produce beer free of technical flaws (i.e. infections, oxidation, skunking, proper carbonation, etc.), which are independent of the intended flavor of the beer. I can't tell from your post exactly which camp you are in.

    To answer your question... I think if a brewery can't get the technical part of brewing figured out and is knowingly or ignorantly putting a flawed product on the market that has infections, oxidation, flavor variability, ect., then forget them. If a brewer doesn't bother to incorporate proper QA/QC into their process that shows they don't really care about their product, so why should I?

    If a brewery makes beers I simply don't like the flavor of but is doing all of the technical aspects of brewing and QA/QC correctly, then I'm more forgiving. The brewer may just have a different vision than I do, or catering to a different segment of the market, and that's OK. I might not buy their beer as often, but I wouldn't criticize or write them off completely.
     
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  7. RicoBrew

    RicoBrew Initiate (0) Nov 12, 2008 California

    Quality is a surprisingly subjective term. It's like defining pornography - you know it when you see (taste) it. To me it's how consistently a brewery produces beer without technical flaws. I don't like BMC beer, but you know what you're getting every single time and to me that's high-quality (though not tasty).
     
  8. riversglow

    riversglow Initiate (0) Aug 30, 2015 North Carolina

    I've had a few 12 packs of SN that taste like the beer was from two different batches.
     
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  9. AlienSwineFlu

    AlienSwineFlu Initiate (0) Dec 14, 2012 Ohio

    Prairie for me. I've had a lot of infected bottles from them.
     
  10. IpaBeerDrinkers

    IpaBeerDrinkers Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2014 California

    I can live with a beer that is executed in the intended fashion but misses my pallette. I'm speaking about technical flaws.

    And I can live with admitted flaws. But if you don't admit the flaw or mistake until after you've sold that batch...that's very questionable
     
  11. MCBanjoMike

    MCBanjoMike Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2014 Canada (QC)

    I'm starting to think of Brasseurs Illimités as being very inconsistent. The beers that I've had from them range from completely uninispired (the Oka abbey blond) to really solid (Cascade IPA and their saison) to excellent (DH DIPA). And last night, I opened a bottle of DH to find that it was completely oxidized, tasting like one of my worse homebrew efforts. Very disappointing, when I know that they are capable of brewing some really tasty beers.
     
  12. CNRowland

    CNRowland Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2015 Illinois

    Since the name of this thread is "wildly inconsistent breweries," I assumed he meant the latter. (Otherwise, if the former was intended, I suppose "wildly inconsistent beers" would've been a more appropriate title.)
     
  13. Smakawhat

    Smakawhat Poo-Bah (8,406) Mar 18, 2008 Maryland
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    Fantome by far, only thing is when it's on... oh it is ON...
     
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  14. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Poo-Bah (2,082) Jul 2, 2014 Pennsylvania
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    I know what you mean. One day its great, the next its flat and funky smell is almost like an armpit lol
     
  15. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (2,999) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Yup, I know that, but was responding to the shelf beer part, because it's also widely available year round.
     
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  16. chipawayboy

    chipawayboy Devotee (474) Oct 26, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Lately? Hill Farmstead. Edward is a freakin shell of what is was. Same w Susan.
     
  17. mooseisloose

    mooseisloose Meyvn (1,376) Nov 16, 2005 Florida

    I never drain pour a good beer for flatness, I use it to cook with. A better meat marinade does not exist.
     
  18. mooseisloose

    mooseisloose Meyvn (1,376) Nov 16, 2005 Florida

    Just had one last week, marvelous!
     
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  19. ClippersSD

    ClippersSD Initiate (154) Jul 17, 2013 California
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    Alpine Brewing Co

    Two different breweries making the same beer, but they taste entirely different. The original Alpine makes it, you're good to go. If Green Flash makes it, prepared to be disappointed. They say the difference is due to filtering at Green Flash(Alpine does not), but whatever it is, it's wildly inconsistent now.
     
  20. scottakelly

    scottakelly Zealot (525) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Agree. I've always enjoyed IPA, Honkers Ale, and Harvest too.
     
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  21. scottakelly

    scottakelly Zealot (525) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    I doubt that's a brewery issue as much as a freshness issue.
     
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  22. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (2,999) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    I get the feeling that those beers are playing into what @Ranbot was saying above-
     
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  23. _IanMcG561

    _IanMcG561 Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2014 Massachusetts

    Night Shift
     
  24. scottakelly

    scottakelly Zealot (525) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    I imagine you are both spot on.
     
  25. entenduintransit

    entenduintransit Zealot (558) May 11, 2015 Tennessee
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    I've had the same problem with the Berliner Weiss. Sometimes the flavor is just flat, other times it's really tasty.

    For breweries I'd say Short's. They put out so many beers their quality control is dubious at best.
     
  26. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,748) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I have had the exact same experience as well. The cynical part of me thought: I wonder if they are mixing old and new batches in these 12 packs?

    What do you think?

    Cheers!
     
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  27. WesMantooth

    WesMantooth Poo-Bah (3,162) Jan 8, 2014 Ohio
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    While I pretty much agree with you (outside of the sisters) I dont think there is a quality or consistency issue. They are just very mediocre.
     
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  28. WesMantooth

    WesMantooth Poo-Bah (3,162) Jan 8, 2014 Ohio
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    I have one if these local breweries. I wont name them (even though most peope would have no idea who I am talking about). They make, and have made some very good beers, but they are often unfinished/drastically different. I have all but given up on them.
     
  29. Wiffler27

    Wiffler27 Meyvn (1,045) Aug 16, 2009 North Carolina

    love them because they're super local to me but some are hit or miss. some of their Brewer's reserve and seasonals are fantastic, some are just average. their year-round list is solid but nothing special
     
  30. ELS

    ELS Devotee (460) Apr 22, 2012 Florida
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    I agree. I was so disappointed with last years MZ I didn't even buy it this year. Also, the Jai Alai is now inconsistent. I had a six that was missing that grapefruit, citrus hop bite that makes it a great beer. I found out that CCB is now using a contract brewer and that maybe some of the off beers aren't being brewed in Tampa. I would be really surprised if they weren't brewing MZ at the brewery but who knows? Still, a great! great! brewery. Compared to Funky Buddha they are the model of consistency. Don't even get me started on FB!
     
  31. ELS

    ELS Devotee (460) Apr 22, 2012 Florida
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    You need to take a road trip to Munster, Indiana. I would have to say that FFF is one of the most consistent breweries out there and their line-up of PA's and IPAs can't be beat. Maybe the bottles you're getting in New York aren't very fresh? Not sure about Dark Lord since I've never had it but wouldn't be surprised if you're right about that specific beer.
     
  32. pthread1981

    pthread1981 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2007 Germany

    This has been my experience even in Thuringen though, as well as all throughout Germany.
     
  33. rab53

    rab53 Poo-Bah (3,260) May 1, 2005 Washington
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    Hair of the Dog
    Night Shift
    Lost Abbey
     
  34. Jmamay22

    Jmamay22 Initiate (0) Sep 11, 2006 New York

    Yep. I don't think there has ever been two bottles that would pass as the same beer. That said I keep buying because it can be so good.
     
  35. MikeCooke

    MikeCooke Initiate (121) Apr 13, 2014 New Jersey

    I can agree with you on that. I'm about an hour away from the brewery I really should stop by there some day soon.
     
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  36. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,748) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    This is the first time I have heard that Cigar City is having their beer contract brewed. What is the name of the contract brewery? Do they list on the package (can) the city name of the contract brewery (how does a consumer distinguish the beer as being contract brewed)?

    Cheers!
     
  37. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,531) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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  38. j-con1263

    j-con1263 Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2013 Ohio

    Agree w the ppl saying fantome... it's all over the place. Side by side bottles on the shelf could be a top ten experience or literally undrinkable... it's incredible the amount of variation in quality, let alone flavor.
    As far as the HF comment, I've never had one HF beer that wasn't spot on for the style. Not all of them are ridic, and the hype helps them for sure, but Shaun can make a serious beer, and apparently in almost any style conceiveable.
     
  39. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,748) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    JK, thanks for that link.

    I took note of "Partner brewing is a process that allows craft brewers not only to brew their beer to exact specifications under the supervision of their own brewmaster..."

    This is the first time I have seen the term "partner brewing". I suppose the 'relationship' between Sixpoint and the brewery in Memphis, TN is a "partner brewing" thing?

    Do you know whether the Cigar City cans from Brew Hub list Lakeland, FL on them?

    Cheers!
     
  40. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,531) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Breweries like to think up new terminology for the various legal forms of contract brewing, since that term has negative connotations for many beer drinkers. "Gypsy brewing" is another alternative term, which others reject because the word itself is considered an ethnic slur.

    Sixpoint's deal with City Memphis is, legally, an "Alternating Proprietorship" according to the TTB. Using the TTB's terminology, Sixpoint is the "tenant" at City/Memphis. In theory, any sort of contract brewing deal between brewers is made between two business "partners".

    According to Brooklyn brewer and editor of The Oxford Companion to Beer Garrett Oliver, who also wrote that book's entry on Contract Brewing, an AP is simply a form of contract-brewing:
    The only Cigar City cans I've seen only list Tampa, but it's possible newer cans list Lakeland, FL, as well. IIRC, recent TTB rules about COLA allow brewers to change the label without a new COLA for certain minor changes.
     
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