Wort For Yeast Starter

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  1. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Savant (1,209) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    When I make a yeast starter, I use DME - usually about 200 gm for a 2-liter starter. Often for lagers, I repeat this one or two times, depending on how old or healthy the yeast is. This can be relatively costly in terms of the amount of DME that is used.

    I have heard that some people make wort specifically for this purpose, and store it (freeze it?) for later use.

    I would be very interested in hearing about the various practical approaches that homebrewers have used to accomplish this.

    Thank you!
     
  2. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,048) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    Is it more costly then buying another pack of yeast?
     
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  3. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (1,963) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    I don't make wort for a starter but rather use extra light DME. I'm not so sure that there is any substantial savings if using grain, maybe a few bucks. I always use extra light and the hassle of making a wort only to have it sit in a freezer seems like a big headache. I can also get the gravity dead nuts with DME.

    I have seen canned wort available, specifically made for starters. And that's not cheap. I am fairly certain if canned wort is your solution one of those brew-bots that always seem to have a kickstarter campaign may be more appropriate.

    That's me anyway.
    Cheers
     
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  4. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,779) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    When I brew I collect some of the later runnings from my sparge in 1 or 2 liter bottles and throw it in the freezer when it's cool to the touch. Thaw for a day or 2 and it's ready to use.
     
  5. Hanglow

    Hanglow Pooh-Bah (1,977) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland
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    I also always make sure I have an extra litre or two from pale mashes that I freeze. Very easy to knock up a starter from it. I do no sparge so it tends to be stronger than I need for a starter, so just dilute a bit when boiling it
     
  6. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Savant (1,209) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    No. A package of yeast here is $12.49 and 600 gm of DME (about what I would use) is $9.00. But when you consider spending $21.49 just for having healthy yeast, that represents a lion's share of the total cost of making a brew. Making wort would reduce the $9 spent on DME to far less than a dollar. So I was wondering it it would be worthwhile to produce some wort before-hand and possibly freeze it.
     
  7. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Savant (1,209) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Thanks skivterry. That's a great approach and saves time to prepare it separately. My runnings are generally too thin at the end of sparging to work as a starter, but I could always boost my grain bill a little to compensate.
     
  8. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (1,963) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Do you see any noticeable differences if using a dark starter malt in a lighter beer, or really any issues with mixing malt base? No matter how hard I try to decant, the yeast and spent starter wort always ends up in the bucket.

    Cheers
     
  9. thebriansmaude

    thebriansmaude Crusader (472) Dec 16, 2016 Canada (AB)
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    I sometimes have more wort left in the kettle than I anticipate, and with kegging there really isn't much point in going over 5.5 gallons into fermenter, so I'll direct it into clean container and freeze it. Then for my next starter I'll throw it in a pot and re-boil it and dilute it to a lower gravity. Super easy. Super cheap
     
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  10. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Savant (1,209) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    For those of you who freeze the wort, so you just put it in a plastic bottle and squeeze it a little before freezing?
     
  11. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,803) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Another storage method, which I use, is to use a pressure cooker and mason jars to can my wort. I currently use DME but have been considering brewing a small batch of starter wort and canning it for future use. Still trying to determine if the time to mash and collect the wort is worth the extra effort.

    Using this method I have stored my wort at room temp which also takes up less freezer space.
     
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  12. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Savant (1,209) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Using this method, would you pour the wort into the Mason jars hot so it would still be sterilized?
     
  13. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,803) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    The method I use when doing this is to mix DME and warm water, close the lid on the jar and put into the pressure canner. Once in the canner and under pressure, the excessive heat sterilizes the jar and it's contents. Canning also seals the jars making them shelf stable as any spoilage organisms should have been killed in the canning process.

    I use the method described here:
    https://www.maltosefalcons.com/tech/starter-made-easy-pressure-cooking-your-starter-wort-ahead-time
     
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  14. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (783) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    This is a fantastic idea, thanks.
     
  15. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Savant (1,209) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Thanks! Great article!
     
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  16. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,779) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    I don't generally save dark wort for this reason. If I did and color was a big deal, I'd probably wash the yeast before pitching.
     
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  17. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,126) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I used to can wort in mason-type jars, either made from DME or second runnings, for starters. I started using your basic canning set-up, immersing jars in boiling water. As many on the internet point out, this will not necessarily protect you from spore forming bacteria, like that which causes botulism. This is because wort is not acidic enough to prevent the growth of those bacteria, if I remember the science of it correctly. Of course, the number of homebrewers who have done this and been sickened by botulism is zero, as far as anyone knows. Still, to further protect, I refrigerated the wort after canning.

    A few years ago I upgraded my canning set up to a pressure canner, and used that. Now, in theory, no refrigeration is necessary, and I could store starter wort at ready to pitch temperatures (not that there is much issue with pulling it out of the fridge a few hours before you want to use it). I also stopped using second runnings because I switched to BIAB.

    However, in the last couple years, mostly I've used dry yeast, using the easy sprinkling method. No wort, no rehydration, just trust that it will work out fine. The main reason for going with dry yeast is that I cannot predict when I have time to brew. Dry yeast is more shelf stable than liquid yeast, so if I mail order ingredients and than realize I can't brew this weekend, or the next 8 weekends, I'm not worrying so much about declining yeast quality.
     
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  18. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,745) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    I always throw a couple hop pellets into my starter wort, and boil the wort for 5 min or so before chilling. Aside from refrigerating, or freezing the canned wort, my guess is this should reduce any sort of spore forming bacteria? Assuming the canned wort isn't sitting for a crazy amount of time on the shelf
     
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  19. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Savant (1,209) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Even if one stores the wort in any of the ways mentioned above, a 10-15 minute boil of the wort, and a subsequent cooling in a sink of cold water before making the yeast starter should ensure that no bacteria forms, should it not?
     
  20. STLRadley

    STLRadley Initiate (0) Jan 26, 2021 Missouri
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