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Wrong to drink Sours after IPAs (or vice versa)?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Immortale25, Feb 13, 2013.

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  1. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Poo-Bah (3,020) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    I've been beginning to wonder what the effects of hops in IPAs and lactic acid in Sours have on our palates. If I'm drinking a highly bitter IPA, should I not drink a sour afterward because my palate has just been assaulted with alpha acids and it might not taste the way it's supposed to? Or is it the other way around? If I have just drank a really strong Gueuze or other wild ale, will the IPA or other types of beer have a weaker flavor? Trying to experiment with this is pricey because sours are so expensive, so I wanted to see what other people's thoughts are.
     
  2. BigCheese

    BigCheese Initiate (0) Jul 4, 2009 Massachusetts

    Drink what you want, when you want, responsibly/in moderation.

    Personally I dont drink anything expensive or review a beer after a hoppy IPA or DIPA. Or any palate taxing beer (RIS, Barleywine) for that matter.
     
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  3. BKBassist

    BKBassist Devotee (434) Jan 24, 2013 New York

    If I know sours are on the table, they are my opener. Just as if I know I'll be mixing in a DIPA or RIS, I'll save that til later in the session. I often like to close the evening with a APA or a nice Pilsner or Kolsch. Seems like a natural progression to me that allows all flavors to stand alone.
     
  4. ShogoKawada

    ShogoKawada Meyvn (1,247) May 31, 2009 Pennsylvania

    side note: I predict that some brewer will release a sour IPA within the next 12 months.
     
  5. weltywm

    weltywm Disciple (362) Jul 27, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    I've found that sometimes a nice sour can be a sort of palate cleanser after or between really hoppy beers. Although, you might not enjoy the sour as much as you would otherwise.
     
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  6. BKBassist

    BKBassist Devotee (434) Jan 24, 2013 New York

  7. OneDropSoup

    OneDropSoup Meyvn (1,048) Dec 9, 2008 Pennsylvania

    How about Anchorage Galaxy White IPA? Not sour, necessarily, but Anchorage makes everything with brett.
     
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  8. ShogoKawada

    ShogoKawada Meyvn (1,247) May 31, 2009 Pennsylvania

    brett != sour. We're going to see a puckering IPA.
     
  9. kawilliams81

    kawilliams81 Meyvn (1,248) Feb 27, 2009 Illinois
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    Exactly. Most big beer tastings my tasting group has we always have a few sours to mix it up and like you said somewhat cleanse the palate.
     
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  10. crusian

    crusian Crusader (738) May 14, 2010 Oregon
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    New Belgium La terroir...
    If anything, you shouldn't have an ipa after an ipa, or a sour after a sour.
    I often go back and forth though.
     
  11. Thorpe429

    Thorpe429 Poo-Bah (5,387) Aug 18, 2008 Illinois
    Industry Beer Trader

    It is fine either way. They're completely different. It is perfect to have a sour between hoppy beers, or vice versa.
     
  12. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Poo-Bah (12,188) Mar 18, 2010 California

    Just remember to stay true to your heart.
     
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  13. JonnyBeers

    JonnyBeers Disciple (323) Oct 24, 2012 British Columbia (Canada)
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    Drinking a Galaxy from Anchorage right now. more of a Saison than IPA imo. but tasty!
     
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  14. danieelol

    danieelol Savant (956) Jun 15, 2010 Australia

    Iris?
     
  15. powpig2002

    powpig2002 Initiate (0) Jan 26, 2012 Florida

  16. hardy008

    hardy008 Poo-Bah (1,951) Jan 12, 2008 Minnesota
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  17. reverseapachemaster

    reverseapachemaster Aspirant (244) Sep 21, 2012 Texas
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    There are dry hopped sours but high levels of bitterness and sourness are not complementary.
     
  18. champ103

    champ103 Poo-Bah (3,815) Sep 3, 2007 Texas
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    No, insert snarky comment now, and drink what you want when you want.
     
  19. OneDropSoup

    OneDropSoup Meyvn (1,048) Dec 9, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Not sure what != means, but brett does not necessarily equal sour. It only gets sour when introduced to a lot of oxygen, otherwise emits other funky, or dry, or mushroomy, or pineappley flavors.
    Also, how about Victory Wild Devil? Don't know if they'll ever make it again, sadly.
     
  20. HipsterBrewfus

    HipsterBrewfus Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2012 Maryland

    Oh jesus christ, shut up and drink and your beer
     
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  21. philbe311

    philbe311 Poo-Bah (1,975) Jan 21, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Personally, I'm not sure I would mix the two... However, it's beer, it's supposed to be a fun hobby... Don't over analyze...
     
  22. Jspriest

    Jspriest Disciple (376) Feb 9, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    This. Hops inhibit lactobacillus proliferation, which is usually your best bet at a puckering sour.

    Tired Hands put out a "sour IPA" a few months ago called "Good Good Things." It was neither sour nor a good good thing. Dry-hopped Sours a la Iris and Le Terroir, and Brett IPAs will be the way of the world till someone finds a way to skirt that little chemical issue. Or so I predict.
     
  23. TNGabe

    TNGabe Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2012 Tennessee

    I'm hearing about hop tolerant lacto strains. Strange things are afoot.
     
  24. Jspriest

    Jspriest Disciple (376) Feb 9, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    This would be good good news!
     
  25. notjustgc

    notjustgc Initiate (154) Nov 15, 2008 New Jersey
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    Rotate between different styles when you've got a lot of bottles to taste. Keeps the palate from becoming fatigued too quickly. Having two hoppy beers in succession just isn't fair to whichever one comes second... the hops will inevitably seem muted in comparison to the first.

    This is a major flaw in the way homebrew competitions are judged, IMO...
     
  26. ShogoKawada

    ShogoKawada Meyvn (1,247) May 31, 2009 Pennsylvania

    != means 'does not equal'. I'm on your side with this one.
     
  27. jefferyc

    jefferyc Initiate (0) Dec 5, 2008 Michigan

  28. EddieGold

    EddieGold Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2012 North Carolina

    if its wrong them i dont wanna be right.
     
  29. dmeadows

    dmeadows Initiate (0) Aug 6, 2002 New York

    It's only wrong if you feel shame afterwards.
     
  30. SidSquid

    SidSquid Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2010 California

    I think a good sour and a good IPA side by side makes for a great beer pairing. I usually only do it if I'm drinking with at least one other person and sharing. Double fisting makes bartenders think you've had too much.
     
  31. tjensen3618

    tjensen3618 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2008 California

    New Belgium Le Terroir, dry hopped with Amarillo, if they put sour IPA on the bottle I don't think anybody would have argued that.
    It was my favorite sour beer ever, I hope we see more Sour IPA's
     
  32. drgarage

    drgarage Initiate (0) Aug 19, 2008 California

    At a tasting event a bit ago, Vinnie from RR told me his favorite time to drink a Blind Pig IPA was after a bunch of sours. So maybe -- maybe -- this is acceptable behavior. Maybe.
     
  33. LightNFoamy

    LightNFoamy Initiate (122) Feb 9, 2013 Minnesota
    Beer Trader

    agreed, Surly has Brettwagon and Brett Liquor two Brett fermented IPAs. Not sour, delicious and faintly tart, but not sour
     
  34. Etan

    Etan Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2011 Wisconsin

    That's so 1998 (sorta):
    http://www.cantillon.be/br/3_108
     
  35. ShogoKawada

    ShogoKawada Meyvn (1,247) May 31, 2009 Pennsylvania

  36. Etan

    Etan Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2011 Wisconsin

    that's why I said "sorta" :wink: Although I would be curious to know how Iris would taste with clean fermentation, keeping the dry-hopping....
     
  37. MrDanno96

    MrDanno96 Initiate (0) Aug 26, 2009 Ohio

    Buy a bomber of Hop Stoopid and a 750 of Cuvee Rene Geuze. Should be a fairly inexpensive experiment.
     
  38. reverseapachemaster

    reverseapachemaster Aspirant (244) Sep 21, 2012 Texas
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    Lots of wild strains are hop and alcohol tolerant. The lacto strains frequently distributed by the yeast labs are selected for predictability and preferred flavor profile. You might get some wild lacto that is unafraid of alpha acids but makes your beer taste terrible.

    Pedio and acetobacter will also sour beer (in different ways) but tend not to be negatively affected by alpha acids. So it's not as though it can't be done just that the results usually aren't pleasant. Just add some vinegar to an IPA and see if that's something you would enjoy.
     
  39. Kaz646

    Kaz646 Initiate (0) Dec 14, 2010 California

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    I've also found sours to be great palate cleansers. I usually like to end my night with a sour because it will cut through anything I've just had.
     
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  40. OneDropSoup

    OneDropSoup Meyvn (1,048) Dec 9, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Ah, good to know. I always use =/=
     
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