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Wrong to drink Sours after IPAs (or vice versa)?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Immortale25, Feb 13, 2013.

  1. Immortale25

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    I've been beginning to wonder what the effects of hops in IPAs and lactic acid in Sours have on our palates. If I'm drinking a highly bitter IPA, should I not drink a sour afterward because my palate has just been assaulted with alpha acids and it might not taste the way it's supposed to? Or is it the other way around? If I have just drank a really strong Gueuze or other wild ale, will the IPA or other types of beer have a weaker flavor? Trying to experiment with this is pricey because sours are so expensive, so I wanted to see what other people's thoughts are.
     
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    Drink what you want, when you want, responsibly/in moderation.

    Personally I dont drink anything expensive or review a beer after a hoppy IPA or DIPA. Or any palate taxing beer (RIS, Barleywine) for that matter.
     
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    If I know sours are on the table, they are my opener. Just as if I know I'll be mixing in a DIPA or RIS, I'll save that til later in the session. I often like to close the evening with a APA or a nice Pilsner or Kolsch. Seems like a natural progression to me that allows all flavors to stand alone.
     
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    side note: I predict that some brewer will release a sour IPA within the next 12 months.
     
  5. weltywm

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    I've found that sometimes a nice sour can be a sort of palate cleanser after or between really hoppy beers. Although, you might not enjoy the sour as much as you would otherwise.
     
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    How about Anchorage Galaxy White IPA? Not sour, necessarily, but Anchorage makes everything with brett.
     
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    brett != sour. We're going to see a puckering IPA.
     
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    Exactly. Most big beer tastings my tasting group has we always have a few sours to mix it up and like you said somewhat cleanse the palate.
     
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    New Belgium La terroir...
    If anything, you shouldn't have an ipa after an ipa, or a sour after a sour.
    I often go back and forth though.
     
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    It is fine either way. They're completely different. It is perfect to have a sour between hoppy beers, or vice versa.
     
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    Just remember to stay true to your heart.
     
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    Drinking a Galaxy from Anchorage right now. more of a Saison than IPA imo. but tasty!
     
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    Iris?
     
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    There are dry hopped sours but high levels of bitterness and sourness are not complementary.
     
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    No, insert snarky comment now, and drink what you want when you want.
     
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    Not sure what != means, but brett does not necessarily equal sour. It only gets sour when introduced to a lot of oxygen, otherwise emits other funky, or dry, or mushroomy, or pineappley flavors.
    Also, how about Victory Wild Devil? Don't know if they'll ever make it again, sadly.
     
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    Oh jesus christ, shut up and drink and your beer
     
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    Personally, I'm not sure I would mix the two... However, it's beer, it's supposed to be a fun hobby... Don't over analyze...
     
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    This. Hops inhibit lactobacillus proliferation, which is usually your best bet at a puckering sour.

    Tired Hands put out a "sour IPA" a few months ago called "Good Good Things." It was neither sour nor a good good thing. Dry-hopped Sours a la Iris and Le Terroir, and Brett IPAs will be the way of the world till someone finds a way to skirt that little chemical issue. Or so I predict.
     
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    I'm hearing about hop tolerant lacto strains. Strange things are afoot.
     
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    This would be good good news!
     
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    Rotate between different styles when you've got a lot of bottles to taste. Keeps the palate from becoming fatigued too quickly. Having two hoppy beers in succession just isn't fair to whichever one comes second... the hops will inevitably seem muted in comparison to the first.

    This is a major flaw in the way homebrew competitions are judged, IMO...
     
  26. ShogoKawada

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    != means 'does not equal'. I'm on your side with this one.
     
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    if its wrong them i dont wanna be right.
     
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    It's only wrong if you feel shame afterwards.
     
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    I think a good sour and a good IPA side by side makes for a great beer pairing. I usually only do it if I'm drinking with at least one other person and sharing. Double fisting makes bartenders think you've had too much.
     
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    New Belgium Le Terroir, dry hopped with Amarillo, if they put sour IPA on the bottle I don't think anybody would have argued that.
    It was my favorite sour beer ever, I hope we see more Sour IPA's
     
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    At a tasting event a bit ago, Vinnie from RR told me his favorite time to drink a Blind Pig IPA was after a bunch of sours. So maybe -- maybe -- this is acceptable behavior. Maybe.
     
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    agreed, Surly has Brettwagon and Brett Liquor two Brett fermented IPAs. Not sour, delicious and faintly tart, but not sour
     
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    That's so 1998 (sorta):
    http://www.cantillon.be/br/3_108
     
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    that's why I said "sorta" ;) Although I would be curious to know how Iris would taste with clean fermentation, keeping the dry-hopping....
     
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    Buy a bomber of Hop Stoopid and a 750 of Cuvee Rene Geuze. Should be a fairly inexpensive experiment.
     
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    Lots of wild strains are hop and alcohol tolerant. The lacto strains frequently distributed by the yeast labs are selected for predictability and preferred flavor profile. You might get some wild lacto that is unafraid of alpha acids but makes your beer taste terrible.

    Pedio and acetobacter will also sour beer (in different ways) but tend not to be negatively affected by alpha acids. So it's not as though it can't be done just that the results usually aren't pleasant. Just add some vinegar to an IPA and see if that's something you would enjoy.
     
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    I've also found sours to be great palate cleansers. I usually like to end my night with a sour because it will cut through anything I've just had.
     
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    Ah, good to know. I always use =/=
     
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