Porter/Stout, we don't know anymore, let's make a new name

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  1. b-one

    b-one Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 California

    I've read many erudite and wonderful historical explanations on this and many other forums on what the difference is between a Porter and a Stout.
    The more intelligent ones appear to all lead to the same conclusion. There may have been good line to make the distinction once.
    No longer.
    We've muddied the waters. There is no line, there aren't even signs or dividing lines (thank you Grateful Dead).
    So screw it, make a name that covers the spectrum and call them all by it.
    I like Pout for simplicity. Unfortunately, wrong impression. The good ones make me grin.
    Stouter?
    You go.
     
    #1 b-one, Mar 17, 2013
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  2. dap325

    dap325 Initiate (0) Apr 2, 2009 New York

    I have no idea what you're talking about.
     
    #2 dap325, Mar 17, 2013
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  3. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Brunch
    Spork
     
    #3 Orca, Mar 17, 2013
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  4. Mandark

    Mandark Zealot (587) Apr 8, 2008 Illinois

    I was sort of with you until you mentioned the Grateful Dead and then I realized you were making no sense.
     
    #4 Mandark, Mar 17, 2013
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  5. Michigan

    Michigan Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2012 Michigan

    I love the late night drunken BA ideas. It's like highdeas.com
     
    #5 Michigan, Mar 17, 2013
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  6. SerialTicker

    SerialTicker Pooh-Bah (2,851) Jun 18, 2012 Missouri
    Pooh-Bah

    Founders Breakfast.

    That should do it.
     
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  7. woemad

    woemad Grand Pooh-Bah (5,601) Jun 8, 2003 Washington
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    Pout?
     
    #7 woemad, Mar 17, 2013
  8. Stwinchy

    Stwinchy Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2012 Colorado

    Hybrid-Pouter. I'd drink an imperial Pouter.
     
    #8 Stwinchy, Mar 17, 2013
  9. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    BA is chock-full of imperial pouters.
     
    #9 Orca, Mar 17, 2013
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  10. gory4d

    gory4d Maven (1,489) Apr 14, 2007 Texas

    The names are fine; we just have to recognize that the distinction between them is pretty much arbitrary. Then we can just drink beer and not worry about it.
     
    #10 gory4d, Mar 17, 2013
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  11. SerialTicker

    SerialTicker Pooh-Bah (2,851) Jun 18, 2012 Missouri
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    Spouter.
     
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  12. b-one

    b-one Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 California

    I'll give you the Grateful Dead as maybe over the line. But, can you in 50 words or less define the essential differences between a Porter and a Stout? Will more than 10 people agree with you?
    Don't post your definition here, there are plenty of those threads already (all inconclusive). You can email me and I'll do something important with it.
    But really, this is just for fun.
     
    #12 b-one, Mar 17, 2013
  13. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Porter's more brownish, stout's more blackish.
     
    #13 Orca, Mar 17, 2013
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  14. YieldToNothing

    YieldToNothing Initiate (0) Mar 13, 2013 New York

    storter obviously
     
    #14 YieldToNothing, Mar 17, 2013
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  15. yamar68

    yamar68 Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2011 Minnesota

    I like where your head's at OP.

    For a site that revolves around beer, there aren't nearly enough drunken monologues.

    Personally, I'm not into hybridizing words... it seems lazy. I think it should be your job to come up with an entirely new and original name for this new classification. It's your time to shine.

    (BM me if you need suggestions though; I think "bangarang" would be a pretty cool name.)
     
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  16. SenorHops

    SenorHops Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2010 Rhode Island

    Storter? Why am I playing along with this? I need to get a life. :grimacing:
     
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  17. darky

    darky Initiate (0) Apr 16, 2010 South Dakota

    Pitch
     
    #17 darky, Mar 17, 2013
  18. Stwinchy

    Stwinchy Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2012 Colorado

    Porter killed 8 people in London in 1814. Stout did not...and some other stuff
     
    #18 Stwinchy, Mar 17, 2013
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  19. mixed_master7

    mixed_master7 Initiate (0) May 16, 2012 Florida

    I can dig that. I like the whole idea of coming up with something unique and not just a mix of the words stout and porter.
     
    #19 mixed_master7, Mar 17, 2013
  20. superspak

    superspak Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,927) May 5, 2010 North Carolina
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    Hey look it's this thread again! Lemme just get out my Ray Daniels book for reference. I am ready to get bashed by all of you historians out there, but I don't give a shit.

    I am completely confident in the differences between a porter and stout, because I have had numerous examples. Flavor wise: Porters have much more milk chocolate with caramel, toffee, and light roast. Stouts have a high roast and lightly charred flavor with coffee. These two profiles are completely relevant to almost all in the styles I have had. Lets look at the stylistic winning profile for the styles now, per Ray Daniels book:

    Top grains:

    Robust Porters:
    Crystal (usually a large portion of the grains by %)
    Chocolate
    Black Patent

    Stouts:
    Roasted/Black Barley
    Crystal
    Chocolate
    (majority use roasted barley as the main grain according to the % too)

    I rest my case, but noone will care anyways.
     
    #20 superspak, Mar 17, 2013
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