Alpine Nelson IPA Clone

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  1. xraided81

    xraided81 Pundit (769) Jan 9, 2008 California
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    I will attempt the clone Verbatim some time next week from hopville

    http://hopville.com/recipe/408239

    , and will follow up with tasting notes, OG, FG, etc. Does anyone know if the dry hopping schedule is a typo? or does it mean 11 days of dry hops, followed, by another 11days? any feedback/input would be awesome, and would be willing to ship out bottles to anyone that has attempted this recipe and gives me some feedback /input. i can get alpine ipas fresh and fairly easy so i will be sure to have a side by side tasting of this homebrew. I dont mean to brag but been doing all grain batched for ~5years, and have medaled at several big time homebrew comps in So Cal, in other words this aint no rookie attempting the Nelson Clone
     
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  2. OldSock

    OldSock Maven (1,418) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    9 oz of dry hops for 10 gallons sounds about right to me. I doubt it needs a second 9 oz dose following that. I tend to like splitting my dry hops between the fermentor and the keg, and I usually target ~1 oz/gal between the two for an IPA.

    The bitterness also seems a bit low to me, I'd probably up it close to 1:1 with the OG.
     
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  3. SenorHops

    SenorHops Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2010 Rhode Island

    I know Hopville went to some new software and had a lot of problems and bugs. That actually happened to one of my recipes where it repeated the dry hop schedule after I saved it. I feel quite confident that that is what happened here. I'd ignore the repeated dry hops. Congrats on all your medals.
     
  4. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    Both Nelson and Duet (Confirmed 45 IBU) have incredibly low bitterness with massive flavor, which I think is really part of why their so damn good. I'd be inclined to keep it at 45 IBU, especially since this recipe has supposedly been straight from Pat.
     
  5. xraided81

    xraided81 Pundit (769) Jan 9, 2008 California
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    That's what I was thinking of keeping it at 45 ibus, Lagunitas IPA which is one of the best shelf year round ipas out there is 45 ibus. Thanks for all the input fellas will follow up with info once I brew this within the next week or two.
     
  6. OldSock

    OldSock Maven (1,418) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    I understand that's what their website says, but I'm suspicious after drinking the beers. That may be what their calculation suggests, but maybe they aren't adding IBUs for whirlpool additions etc.?
     
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  7. jpeck13

    jpeck13 Initiate (0) Apr 28, 2011 California

    I remember reading this clone before the format change. Supposedly the base malt is Rahr two-row, and the OP didn't have enough, which is why it shows two different malts(American two-row pale, Pale Malt 2-row, US). It should be 14 pounds, 8oz of all Rahr two row. I guess Pat feels that base malt is very important to the character of the beer. I've had the beer multiple times, and I'd agree that the IBUs are fairly low.
     
  8. xraided81

    xraided81 Pundit (769) Jan 9, 2008 California
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    Thanks good to know, I got enough hops for two test batches will try the rahr malt for batch 2
     
  9. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    Maybe, but the one characteristic I really enjoy about fresh Nelson and Duet is how low and smooth the bitterness is, although I don't know if I'd pick up the difference in IBUs between say 45 and 60 in an IPA. I think we're splitting hairs at this point, but if I were brewing a clone, I'd stick with what Pat suggested (Granted different systems will produce different beers).
     
  10. xraided81

    xraided81 Pundit (769) Jan 9, 2008 California
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    Finally got a chance to brew the Nelson clone, I hit the target gravity of 1.066
    Will ferment half of the batch with American ale yeast, the other half with San Francisco lager yeast, will post final gravities as well as tasting notes
     
  11. jwjon1

    jwjon1 Savant (1,158) Jan 14, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Thanks for posting this thread, and for your updates. Fun read, and makes me want to take a run at this clone!
     
  12. Slatetank

    Slatetank Grand Pooh-Bah (3,713) Oct 9, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    I brewed this based on the ingredient ratios given by Pat at Alpine and split the batch with my friend Alex we later did a side by side of the three beers -I used Denny's favorite 50 and he used California Ale yeast. They were all slightly different but the Dennys yeast brought out the rye more and the Cal Ale increased the bitterness slightly but they were similar to the origina. As far as the dry hopping, no the amount listed is correct all the hops added for 11 days, you could probably shorten it to 8 or 9 though.
     
  13. xraided81

    xraided81 Pundit (769) Jan 9, 2008 California
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    after 10 days of fermentation US ale batch FG 1.011, i think ill give the yeast a few more days to work, even though the airlock has stopped bubbling. Notes of citrus, (think of citrus gatorade), slight peppery spicy aroma, stone fruit, with slight hint of grape, clean light mouthfeel, has the hop bittering of an APA, but without the chewy caramel bready notes. Color a slight hazy orange hue, it looks pretty similar in color to nelson, and will be closer after cold crashing this bitch. I think i will start the dry hopping over the weekend.

    SF Lager version: Gravity 10days after ferm 1.016
    Big time aroma of guava, a slight bit more bitter, ( likely due to this being the second drain from keggle, more trub and hops), tropical fruit pineapple, candied guava, papaya sweetness, this bitch is murky, i willl likely let this go another week before dry hopping since lager strains tend to work a bit slower.

    well ill keep you guys posted, after the dry hopping, unless the gravities change before dry hopping.
    cheers!
     
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  14. jklinck

    jklinck Zealot (509) Jul 23, 2007 Washington

    Yeah, but the beer tastes like it has 45 IBU's.
     
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  15. sergeantstogie

    sergeantstogie Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2010 Washington

    Wow is it just me or does the half fermented with SF Lager sound great???
     
  16. xraided81

    xraided81 Pundit (769) Jan 9, 2008 California
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    I just happened to have an extra vial of SF yeast, but was inspired by SD Brewers Guild 2009 beer Callifornia Uncommon, which was a double ipa fermented with SF lager yeast that alpine brewed just for the festival, it was a collaboration beer which each of the SD brewery contributed an ingredient towards the beer awesome concept awesome beer
     
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  17. xraided81

    xraided81 Pundit (769) Jan 9, 2008 California
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    US Ale: racked to secondary and added dry hops 4/2
    SF Lager: took a gravity 1.010, the SF lager yeast took a bit longer to reduce the gravity.
    the guava /ester profile seems to have mellowed. great clarity, which will only improve after lagering.
    clean lager crispness in the after taste, a bit thinner on the mouthfeel compared to the ale, definetely brings out the malt bill, slight hint of citrus. lets see what dry hops does to this bitch!
     
  18. Slatetank

    Slatetank Grand Pooh-Bah (3,713) Oct 9, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Yeah that Nelson character is great - love how juicy and tropical it is in the aroma and taste
     
  19. xraided81

    xraided81 Pundit (769) Jan 9, 2008 California
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    First pint of the ale version
    Served on draft into a bullet shaped tasting glass.
    Aroma: crushed white grapes, mango, juicy tropical fruits, then picks up a high grade dank aroma, citrus fruits
    Apearance: vibrant orange hue, orange cloudy appearance ( first pour, will clear up after sitting in the keg a few days), i dont have a bottle of Nelson on hand, but mind looks a deeper orange color, persistent creamy head
    Flavor: medium hop bitterness ( ~40 ibus is important), smooth hoppy taste without getting the full bitterness bite as most ipas, maltiness is muted, but the rye portion of the grain bill brings out a nice spicy bite to the bittering hops, mangos, citrus, white grapes, a hint of pineapple.
    Mouthfeel: smooth, medium body, moderate carbonation, a bit slick in mouthfeel but should improve after spending time in the keg.
    Overall: I dont have a bottle of Nelson on hand to compare, but although not the exact same beer this recipe will give you an amazing homebrew. I felt mine had more of a citrus component ( think of mango and citrus gatorade, which is one of my favorite non alcoholic drinks) than Alpine Nelson, the appearance is more cloudy and a more vibrant orange color, the distinct Nelson aroma is definetly present in the beer, i will enter this in a local homebrew comp and will post feedback scores,. I will also be posting the review of the lager version which is still dry hopping, and if i can get to Alpine before i drink this batch, i will do a full compare and contrast analysis with Alpine Nelson.
    Cheers!
     
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  20. Slatetank

    Slatetank Grand Pooh-Bah (3,713) Oct 9, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    I am doing a side by side,thanks a lot xraided81!
    This is the next best thing to having a bomber of Nelson...everything he said is on the money yet it has such a bright Nelson vinous quality with such low bitterness that it lets the hop flavor shine..I will have to say thanks to Jose and Pat from Alpine for the opportunity to enjoy this recipe again!
     
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