Beer Wars - Episode I: The Frog Menace

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  1. Chrixsus

    Chrixsus Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2011 Illinois

    BEER WARS - EPISODE I: THE FROG MENACE

    For its past two events the Chicago Beer Fest has been able to serve unlimited samples to event-goers. It was to be the same way at this year's Spring Session and was advertised by Drink-Eat-Play as such. However, two days (Thur.) before the Chicago Beer Fest was to take place (Mar. 30th) the IL Liquor Commission called them up and said they had to switch to a voucher system. As you can imagine it was quite a blow to the proverbial balls for all involved (12,000 people/6,000 per afternoon & evening sessions, the breweries, the promoters, the event, the city, etc.).

    The Chicago Beer Fest people issued a FB post stating the following:

    "Yeah, we get it you're disappointed. A competing beer festival called the liquor board complaining that our event offered unlimited beers there's wasn't able to. So the liquor commission told us we had to change our policy for the event to be conducted legally. As soon as we knew, we emailed the attendees to apologize and let them know that refunds were available. And as the email said, we'll refund you if you're not happy. Since it's an issue of the state policy (which they either didn't know or didn't care about before the Soldier Field festival complained about us), we don't get to decide if we want to comply with it."

    Red Frog Events went and tattled on the Chicago Beer Fest about serving its patrons unlimited samples of beer. All of a sudden, ONLY A MERE 2 DAYS BEFORE THE CHICAGO BEER FEST, the American Beer Classic has a problem with this and calls the IL State Liquor Commission who then forces the Chicago Beer Fest to change its format from UNLIMITED TO VOUCHERS. 12,000 craft beer lovers have now been SCREWED BY THE PROMOTERS OF THE AMERICAN BEER CLASSIC. Our fest, our tradition, and our good times have been RUINED by the childish antics and BS of Red Frog Events.

    These accusations have been made by many others on their Facebook page and Red Frog Event's only reply has been:

    "We’re impressed and inspired by Chicago Beer Festival and we want nothing but success for them, as well as all the other beer festivals in Illinois and other locations. The only conversations our representatives have had with licensing authorities are regarding licensing for our festival. We’re excited to have American Beer Classic come to life in May and provide festival goers access to hundreds of great brews from around the country, while showcasing the industry through a great experience."

    Baloney! Do they think we're all idiots?! If what they're saying is true, and "the only conversations (their) representatives have had with licensing authorities (were) regarding licensing for (their) festival" then how did the IL Liquor Commission know about the Chicago Beer Fest serving unlimited samples 2 days before the event? Magic? Telepathy?

    A more likely scenario is that Red Frog Events was pissed off they had to have vouchers and then tattled like babies. By the way, if you're going to throw a beer fest isn't having all your ducks in a row and knowing what the liquor laws are in the state you're throwing the fest in kind of important? The American Beer Classic was selling tickets for itself before the event was even squared away with the commission. They don't even bother to answer other people's questions in regards to how much beer fest-goers will be getting. The FAQ question: Will there be unlimited samples or vouchers at this event? Red Frog Events never bothered to post in their FAQ. In its place is a cryptic, confusing question that only makes sense after deep meditation in the mountains of Tibet. Why did they fail to answer this most important of questions for a beer-fest-goer? Only Red Frog Events knows. You certainly don't have people asking questions on the FAQ page for beer fests like the Great Taste of the Midwest. Then they decide to spill the beans about the Chicago Beer Fest 2 DAYS BEFORE THE EVENT? Wow. If they really wanted "nothing but success" for the Chicago Beer Fest then they would have kept their mouths shut and waited until next Mon. to make the call to check on their own event instead of dishing out a screw-job. With one phone call they've managed to upset 12,000 people, ruin a beer fest (and quite possibly their own), destroy their own reputation as a company (Red Frog Events), and give craft beer in The Windy City a black eye.

    However, as I mentioned previously, if you're an event company that is going to put on a beer fest then you need to have all your ducks in a row and know what the liquor laws are in the state you're throwing the fest in. The Chicago Beer Fest dropped the ball on that one. If they were giving away unlimited alcoholic beverages at no cost, they were illegally selling or distributing alcohol and could face permanent revocation of their license. It would only take 1 person out of the 12,000 or so people to get pulled over for a DUI and say that they left the fest and it would be shut down permanently, or, in a knee-jerk reaction from lawmakers, get beer festivals such as these outlawed all together.

    MAYBE (and that's a BIG "maybe") Red Frog Events only accidentally tipped off the IL Liquor Commission. Or MAYBE they were protecting the organizers and promoters of these events, as well as the people that attend and those who may otherwise be in harms way due to gross over-consumption of alcohol by a bunch of guys/gals who don't care about what they're drinking, just that they can drink as much as they want for free. But that doesn't excuse their childish antics of calling the IL Liquor Commission 2 DAYS BEFORE THE FEST to tattle. If other people's safety was such a concern for them, why wait until zero hour of the Chicago Beer Fest to say something? Furthermore, what's to stop any of the people planning on attending this American Beer Classic from purchasing more vouchers, drinking too much, and subsequently putting others in harm's way? What's to stop a guy who goes to the bar and buys a bunch of shots and then gets behind the wheel of a car? What's to stop someone at a house party from binge drinking Milwaukee's Best, stripping their clothes off, jumping the median, running out onto the highway, and becoming street pizza? Lets just bring Prohibition back and then we'll never have to worry about the safety of others in regards to alcohol consumption ever again (sarcasm). Also, neither The American Beer Classic nor Red Frog Events have issued any kind of statement confirming or denying all the accusations flying around except the cookie-cutter, robotic statement above. Their silence is deafening.

    The number of vouchers (20 vouchers/1 voucher = 1 sample) being offered in recompense was plenty for everyone. It came out to to about 5 full 12 oz. glasses of beer, and with the ABV of some of these brews being higher that's plenty of beer. If handled correctly, Drink-Eat-Play probably could have salvaged the wreckage and not had as many refunds, however their statement was a slap in the face to ticket-holders and as a result our anger came forth. Understandably so, in my opinion. If you've set your mind on unlimited samples, then get told that's not the case, and finally have to read an arrogant, "we-have-your-$$$-so-we-don't-care" statement, how would you feel? Gutted? Cheated? Taken advantage of? All of the above! The faithful, myself among them, who did show up for the fest were given not one, but TWO voucher cards of 20 samples each for a grand total of 40...more than enough. Did those pouring the beer into our sample cups care about checking off our vouchers? Did they measure out exactly 3 oz. of beer in each cup? None save a few. I would have expected nothing less, but you can never be totally sure...especially with the majority of people attending having no prior knowledge of how beer fests work; which is where the bulk of their refunds came from. Drink-Eat-Play could have provided that sureness with some TLC to ticket-holders on their FB posts and a winky-face...:wink: We all would have gotten it.

    There are more entities involved to share the blame (the IL Liquor Commission for being a hard-ass enforcing outdated, ridiculous laws; the City of Chicago for not stepping up and defending its own entertainment and tourist industries; Drink-Eat-Play for not being prepared and informed whilst running the Chicago Beer Fest and handling the sucker punch dealt them poorly...to be an event company you gotta' be able to handle curve balls appropriately and do some damage control), but none of these parties are to blame as much as Red Frog Events and the American Beer Classic for swinging a stick at the hornets nest (IL Liquor Commission) and knocking the wasps down on top of everyone's picnic.

    A Craft-Beer Defending Chicagoan,

    Ser Chris of House Hopkins
     
  2. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Well, why don't you take deep breath and tell us how you really feel?
     
  3. rauchfest

    rauchfest Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Occupy red frog!
     
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  4. rauchfest

    rauchfest Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2008 Pennsylvania

    I would say no more red frog events for me.
     
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  5. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    Horribly executed in this context. I'm a recent opponent of the all you can drink festivals, but of course not carried out in this sort of way.
     
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  6. incubuscience

    incubuscience Initiate (0) Jul 26, 2012 Illinois

    Can you give us the 10-peso version of this rant? I'm not bored enough to read all 14 inches.
     
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  7. kingofhop

    kingofhop Initiate (0) May 9, 2010 Oklahoma
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    My eyes fukkin glazed over after the second paragraph.
     
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  8. celticfutblclub

    celticfutblclub Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2010 Massachusetts

  9. Sneers

    Sneers Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2009 Pennsylvania

    I'll sum it up. The Chicago Beer Fest was going to give out unlimited samples. Two days before the event, the organizer of another beer fest informed the Illinois Liquor commission of this, who in turn mandated that CBF use vouchers instead. OP thinks this was a malicious move.
     
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  10. incubuscience

    incubuscience Initiate (0) Jul 26, 2012 Illinois

    Much appreciated.

    Also, was it a slow news day or something? Didn't this happen a week or two ago?
     
  11. Uniobrew31

    Uniobrew31 Pooh-Bah (1,567) Jan 16, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    Even the most respectful craft beer enthusiast can turn into a sloppy mess at an all you can drink event. Bad form but not a bad rule. I don't think the blame of the fuzz finding out that 24,000 people bought tickets to this event can be traced back to one organization. It's hard enough to keep a secret if only two people know it let alone an entire beer drinking population. That being said how many beers can you have at this event before you get shut off?
     
  12. spicoli00

    spicoli00 Pooh-Bah (2,305) Jul 6, 2005 Indiana
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    there was still no limit on how much you could consume, you just had to buy more vouchers. i did not attend, but i think you started with 20 vouchers. 1 voucher = 2oz pour
     
  13. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    I'm having a real hard time sympathizing with any of the organizations involved, except maybe the liquor board folks that have to enforce the law (ridiculous as it is, it's still the law)
     
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  14. Uniobrew31

    Uniobrew31 Pooh-Bah (1,567) Jan 16, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    Hell maybe they tattled on themselves sounds like they made a bit more money on the deal.
     
  15. spicoli00

    spicoli00 Pooh-Bah (2,305) Jul 6, 2005 Indiana
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    That wasnt their intention. They offered refunds for those that decided they didnt want to go.
     
  16. nsheehan

    nsheehan Savant (1,206) Jul 3, 2011 Texas
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    Long but pretty well written post. Touches on more than just the initial possibility you charge Red Frog with, giving it some balance between the rhetoric. If I see a Red Frog event, I will think twice about patronizing them.

    It is not certain, but most likely, that Red Frog instigated the switch to vouchers two days before, which is angering in principle. In practice, it doesn't seem too bad, as long as the servers are lenient. As OP says, the festival could've done much better damage control.

    I've been to just three beer festivals, all of which were unlimited pour (MN, CA x 2). I had between 20 and 30 pours at each, drank water and ate a pretzel or sandwich, and was fine. I didn't drive after any of them though. These were great experiences. I wouldn't mind a festival that gave me 20 pours to consume over 4 or 5 hours, although 30 would have me drooling (I don't think I'd want more than 30 pours).

    Recently, I've come across a few voucher type festivals in TX, and you start out with just 10 vouchers. I don't think that is very cool, considering that the festivals are overpriced to start with. Voucher type festivals would do well to consider a balance between cost, pours, and safety/law for the attendee. These ones in Texas forgot the first two factors. I am assuming beer quality is 'the same' at each (don't sacrifice quality for a lower price, which shouldn't be a concern in TX because cost of living and beer is lower), and trying to make large profit is not a factor (varies by festival but let's be optimistic). Sounds like the Chicago festival giving 20 vouchers is a good call that should've been publicized.
     
  17. sliverX

    sliverX Maven (1,459) Oct 5, 2007 South Georgia & South Sandwich Islands

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  18. BobCobb

    BobCobb Savant (1,026) Jul 10, 2012 Illinois
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    Yes, but that's when he started to write the post.
     
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  19. AnnArborJoe

    AnnArborJoe Zealot (534) Jan 18, 2011 Michigan
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    Red Frog can snitch on all future beer events if it can put a bullet in the head of JarJar.
     
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  20. crossovert

    crossovert Initiate (0) Mar 29, 2009 Illinois

    It is quite easy to go to an all you can drink event, try 60 diff beers and not get drunk. Try trying 60 diff beers with this system. Its a cash-grab.
     
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