Bourbon County Barleywine

Where has base beer variations of BCBS been previously discussed?

 

The brewer's intent is what matters. Whatever "tools" they happen use to create their product is entirely up to them. Unless you're privy to the actual recipe, I'd say that it would be more than reasonable to assume that this will be an indentifiably different beer than King Henry rather than insisting that it will, in fact, be the same beer. King Henry could have been an absolute fluke, as far as we know (However, I'm sure GI would like us to think otherwise).

The irony of this particular back-and-forth is certainly not lost on me. We're talking about the same brewery that had the audacity to suggest that King Henry is a barleywine. A barleywine.

So with that said, I think that it's safe to say that whatever this beer actually turns out to be will be whatever Goose Island wants it to be. You, on the other hand, have already decided that this will ostensibly be King Henry B2. I'm not against wishful thinking or anything like that, but I will always choose sound logic when given the choice.

 

Is this intended not to be King Henry? Or is it intended not to be called King Henry?

There aren't too many people in this thread choosing sound logic, and most are ignoring it.

There are 3 factors in a barrel-aged beer: the recipe (including ABV) of the base beer, the barrel type, and the aging time.

KBS: changes barrels, recipe, and perhaps aging time --> same beer
Parabola: changes barrels, recipe, and perhaps aging time --> same beer
Black Tuesday: changes recipe, perhaps barrels and aging time --> same beer
Bourbon County: changes barrels, recipe, and aging time --> same beer
Bourbon County Coffee: changes recipe (coffee), perhaps aging time --> same beer
Eclipse: changes barrels, aging time, but different branding --> different beer
Bourbon County Rare: changes barrels, aging time, but different branding --> different beer
King Henry: changes barrels, recipe, and aging time, but different branding --> different beer

Feel free to think you're not missing the point, but let's be clear: most of you are swayed by the branding more than the specifics of the beer. If you apply the same loose standards across all of them, you wind up with a different perspective.

If you are being strict, then yes, King Henry ≠ BCBW. But if you are being strict, then every year's Bourbon County and Parabola is a one-off too.

 

Not sure if this is some kind of zen koan or what, but that sounds like a question for Goose Island. I'll play along though: Why is it not called King Henry?

Duuuuuuuuuuuude...

The specifics of the beer go far beyond the limited information that you've been provided up to this point.

Also, it's interesting to take note of how many uses of the word "perhaps" you've managed to fit into your flowchart up there. Sounds to me like there's a lot of information that you're simply not 100% on.

Listen, I get it. You feel like you're finally seeing through the marketing bullshit......but seriously, how can you honestly suggest that this will definitively be the same beer as King Henry 1) by only examining the units of measure and 2) without ever tasting it?





Fuck this noise, I'm just gonna go and drink a Sebago BBBW vertical instead...

 

The Halls may not have permitted AB to use the trademark as a stipulation of the sale. But that's a guess.

I admit not being 100% on everything, but there are several that are quite clear and no one has responded to those. Really, in two pages everyone's avoided or deflected those points. It's very telling.

To turn the question on its head, how can anyone suggest this is definitively not King Henry by the same measures, when many batch-varying beers are considered the same batch and after batch? Both are equally arbitrary.

Are you sure those are the same beer?

 

Because it's hard to acquire King Henry.... He can sleep better at night by convincing himself that BCBBW will be a re-release of King Henry.

 

I picked up a case of King Henry in Long Island. But great way to deflect the point.

 

It's not King Henry because Goose Island called it Bourbon County Barleywine. It's that's simple. Everything else is conjecture.

 

So we agree.

 

Possibly. Could be many reasons why they chose to call it something else. Either way, I'm willing to bet it's going to be delicious, and it's in 12 oz bottles. Win for everyone.

 

LET'S ALL ARGUE OVER SEMANTICS!!!

 

In an effort to avoid reading through 9 pages, can someone let me know if a tentative release date has been set yet?

 

As usual, those who are talking don't know. And those who know aren't talking.

 

Does anyone know if this will be coming to GA? We just started getting Goose Island about 8 months ago. I am wondering if any will make it down to their new accounts...

 

I'm glad I'll finally be able to have the chance to drink King Henry without having to give up my whole cellar.

 

LOUD NOISES.

 

Thank you very much for the lesson, Obi Wan, but the BeerAdvocate jury has spoken: you, sir, are a self-righteous douche who can't seem to understand that the reason nobody agrees with you is because none of the bullshit you are spouting off has been proven. Why are you so damn condescending towards everybody about this beer? It will be released later this year for you to compare, and when you have these both side by side, I fully expect to see you posting threads all over the place about how friggin' right you were and everybody on BA was against you. Until then, please just shut up. If I ever met you in person, I think I'd need a full case of this beer just to keep from stabbing myself in the ear.

 

*Puts index finger to nose, winks*

 

any idea when this will be out?

 

Oh my god not the BeerAdvocate jury! The highest court of drunkards in the land!!!

Nothing anyone else has been saying is proven either. And of all the impassioned naysayers/defenders, not a single one has responded to my point about branding being more important than the recipe differences between beers. Makes you wonder why, don't it?

I'm no more condescending than anyone else in this thread (and a lot less than some). This is the internet. Welcome.