TOO strong maybe not TOO good?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by 19etz55, Apr 19, 2013.

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  1. tectactoe

    tectactoe Pooh-Bah (2,386) Mar 20, 2012 Michigan
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    If we're going to be snarky, "pilsner = lager" and "lager = pilsner" are in fact that exact same thing.
     
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  2. BlindSalimander

    BlindSalimander Initiate (0) Aug 16, 2010 Texas

    Please read post #30 in this thread.
     
  3. tectactoe

    tectactoe Pooh-Bah (2,386) Mar 20, 2012 Michigan
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    He was referring the the post that said "pilsner = lager", though.
     
  4. willbm3

    willbm3 Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2010 Massachusetts

    People don't seem to understand math, or symbols for that matter. I thought it was pretty straightforward but apparently not
     
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  5. BlindSalimander

    BlindSalimander Initiate (0) Aug 16, 2010 Texas

    I totally understand. The problem people have had in this thread was his reply "No, it doesn't", which is why I referred you to that other post. It's a pretty simple formula. All pilsners are lagers, all lagers are not pilsners. The original post did not imply that "lagers are pilsners" as he states in his last post. Not trying to be snarky it's just not that difficult of a premise though.
     
  6. BMitch

    BMitch Crusader (459) Jul 10, 2012 Virginia

    OR... maybe he simply just doesn't like those beers, or that particular style of beer? Is that such a stretch?

    Not to single you out, tectactoe, nor am I trying to start a flame fest, but I'm going to play Devil's Advocate for a second in hopes of sparking another side of the argument... but when I see remarks from people that they don't enjoy a particular style (lagers usually being the main culprit) or that lower ABV beers don't really do it for them, why does the peanut gallery immediately chime in that it has to be because they "don't appreciate the style" or "your palate has been ruined?" Why does a person HAVE to like something, and if you don't well then something must be wrong with you, or that you're not a true advocate of beer for not "supporting" every style, or because of some other kind of arbritary reasoning? Why can't a person simply not like something because it doesn't agree with their tastebuds?

    This is one aspect of BA that has begun to wear thin with me. We are talking about a topic that at the very root of its existence is completely subjective. Telling someone they are ignorant or lying for finding lagers distasteful comes off just as snobby as someone else telling you you're stupid for enjoying lagers. I wish this community would learn to simply respect the fact the people have different opinions on what tastes good to them, and that not everyone is always going to agree.


    (FWIW- I fall in the camp of not being much of a lager fan. I don't "despise" them, but they are not something I would readily go out of my way to pay money for; and yes, I've had a few of the beers tectactoe just mentioned. And while there are a few lower ABV options that I really enjoy, All Day IPA and a local brewer's nitro stout that I absolutely love being among them, my choices in beer do gravitate towards the higher end of the spectrum. That's just MY individual tastes in beer. If you don't agree, more power to you; there's nothing wrong with that, just as there's nothing wrong with me preferring stronger beers either.)
     
  7. tectactoe

    tectactoe Pooh-Bah (2,386) Mar 20, 2012 Michigan
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    This can not accurately be described with "pilsner = lager". Idk if you're familiar with equal signs or not, but you can flip-flop the left and right sides and nothing changes.

    Therefore (if you're referring to the "original post" as the one that simply states "pilsner = lager") this post technically does imply that all pilsners are lagers, too. When you have something with X = Y, that means that X and Y are essentially the exact same thing (i.e., equal). Saying "pilsner = lager" is not the same thing as saying "all pilsners are lagers, all lagers are not pilsners".
     
  8. tectactoe

    tectactoe Pooh-Bah (2,386) Mar 20, 2012 Michigan
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    While I wholeheartedly agree with your post, to me, there's a big difference between saying you don't like lagers and saying they are "tasteless".
     
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  9. BMitch

    BMitch Crusader (459) Jul 10, 2012 Virginia

    I can respect that, because I can see why the adjective "tasteless" can come across as being a case of hating just to hate. I read it more as that he just doesn't like the taste of lagers, and that was the first negative response that came to his mind with there probably being a better choice of words that could have been used instead. Of course assuming things always leads to trouble too, so...

    :sunglasses:
     
  10. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I agree, and sometimes after work a nice cold Miller Lite is just right. Sometimes is as much about timing as anything, I love BCBS, but I don't want to drink it sitting on the beach.
     
  11. Siggy125

    Siggy125 Maven (1,318) Nov 10, 2006 California
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    I appreciate your feedback, but quite can't agree with backing all the way down to a Miller Lite. My equivalent would be something like an Alaskan Amber.
     
  12. WhatANicePub

    WhatANicePub Zealot (712) Jul 1, 2009 Scotland

    Maybe you're a drunk?
     
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  13. 19etz55

    19etz55 Savant (1,236) Aug 12, 2007 New Jersey
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    No. I'm not a drunk.
     
  14. YieldToNothing

    YieldToNothing Initiate (0) Mar 13, 2013 New York

    the only lower abv beers that really turn me on are hefeweizens(and wittes), bocks and saisons
     
  15. Herky21

    Herky21 Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2011 Iowa

    True.

    i.e. Noble Pils has great flavor.
     
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  16. Herky21

    Herky21 Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2011 Iowa

    What is this math class? 'Merica. We read from left to right.
     
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