Lagers versus Ales

You know when that one guy disagrees with EVERYONE else? Well, it's usually because they're wrong, and that's you right now...

 

The hole you're digging for yourself keeps getting larger and larger. Even if there are ZERO examples of barrel-aged lagers that aren't baltic porters (look up Drake's Anniversary Barrel-aged Lager), what point are you attempting to make here?

Trolls gonna troll.

 

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I'm predicting the response: "Dopplebocks belong in their own style of beer."

 

I must have missed something. Since when does a beer, be it a lager or ale, need to spend time in a barrel to be good?

 

The fact that an ale is "lagered" doesn't make it a lager by the definition clearly sought by OP.

 

It's a lager plain and simple. You can't keep all ales under one general heading while not doing the same for lagers.

 

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=barrel+aged+lager

Better?

 

Sure, sure, sure. But find me an example of a lager aged in maple bourbon barrels. You can't!

 

Your ultimate conclusion is no different than mine, other than your steadfast refusal to recognize original source definition.

 

I've heard (from good beer sources, not just hearsay) that the freshest Kölsch (obviously at the source) will have a lightly sulfury nose -- even with the lagering time. But, is this a yeast characteristic, or Pilsner malt character -- or a combo?

 

Not that this needs to be justified any further, but all pilsner urquell was barrel aged up until 1993 when they changed to stainless cylinders, but they do still do batches in the original barrels for taste comparison to make sure they are releasing a consistant product


Pilsner Urquell lagering cellars by Stan Hieronymus, on Flickr

 

I bet you could make one

 

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It is a yeast characteristic

 

There are exceptions to any rule:
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Augustiner still lagers and serves from wooden barrels.

 

What is it about Americans that make them think they can change the meaning of words to suit their own needs? At least Eurocentrism has history on its side.

 

You are locked in to the notion that beer is divided into ales and lagers.This is an American imposition on the beer world and based on assumption rather than on knowledge. Kolsch is a German style and Germany has no "ale" in its history-that's just what Americans call it.In Germany it's legally defined as a lager and it really isn't for outsiders to tell them they are wrong.Germany has its own names for top fermented beer whereas ale is derived from the very different practices in the UK.
The ale/lager division is OK as a rule of thumb and actually works most of the time. But it falls apart at the edges for example with Kolsch and Baltic Porters and more than that it ignores the rich background of brewing from which we all benefit today.

 

Lagers = Zzzzzzzzzzz.

Ales = Woot, woot!