Bayernbiere Bought and Drunk

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  1. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Clermont-Ferrand is about center of Provence; Google maps tells me it's a 9.5 hour drive -- and that probably doesn't account for "native driving." And since I can see the route, I can tell this trip would probably extend longer than a weekend -- much as Stahl says -- with all the interesting spots in-between.

    Then, factor in the Audi S-8 I'll probably be driving and we can probably cut that time in half. :grinning:
     
    #441 steveh, Apr 25, 2013
  2. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Maven (1,363) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    The Autobahn is your friend! :grinning:
     
    #442 Gutes_Bier, Apr 25, 2013
  3. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Unfortunately, the only time I ever got to drive the Autobahn in the past I was in a cracker-box Opel -- with a bad clutch! I'm ready now! :grinning:
     
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  4. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Maven (1,363) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    My first time driving on the Autobahn was in a (rented) Ford minivan with two kids under 21 months old. Second time was in a (rented) BMW wagon with one child. I wasn't doing anything crazy either time but it was great driving nevertheless.
     
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  5. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2005 Germany
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    I don't know what map you're looking at but I can assure you that both places are on the same continent yet rather far apart and that natives of either place would likely tarr and feather you for such a crude statement.
     
    #445 Stahlsturm, Apr 25, 2013
  6. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2005 Germany
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    Actually French Autoroutes are much better. Since they are tolled there's hardly any traffic on them and you can easily drive 180 without worries. And there's no cops speedtrapping (they are busy with all the traffic on the Routes Nationales) and pictures from stationary cameras you can safely ignore as a tourist.
    The same does not go for Germany (well, you can ignore the pics as well if you're living in the US) and you will be hard pressed getting even a remotely good average speed compared to France.
     
    #446 Stahlsturm, Apr 25, 2013
  7. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2005 Germany
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    Ask Dave (beerman9) how driving on the Autobahn with a native feels :grinning: I think he still get's white knuckles and night terrors from that experience, hahahaha.
     
    #447 Stahlsturm, Apr 25, 2013
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  8. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Yeah, I was scanned too far in on Google Maps, but again...

    ...the differences in definition of "far apart" here in the U.S. and there in Europe. :wink:

    You mean like the waiter in Strasbourg who brought me the wrong beer from what I'd asked, acted like a jerk when I pointed it out, and got royally dressed down? Yeah, those natives frighten the dickens out of me. :grinning:
     
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  9. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2005 Germany
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    Yeah... Space View, right ? :stuck_out_tongue:

    True. The distance of an average daily commute in the US likely places you in a different country here in Europe. Still, when in Rome...

    You are confusing matters of business (aka ripping off tourists) with matters of national pride.
     
    #449 Stahlsturm, Apr 26, 2013
  10. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Opposite, I zoomed so far in that I lost borders... that's sort of profound, isn't it? :wink:

    Hell, a different state here seems like a different country! :grinning:

    Ah -- I see. Still not frightened.

    (*is that like the bar-tender in Würzburg who tried to short-change me and couldn't wipe the sheepish look off his face when I called him on it? :astonished: Talk about borders making no real difference on humanity.)
     
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  11. WhatANicePub

    WhatANicePub Zealot (712) Jul 1, 2009 Scotland

    Insert old joke: Europeans think 200 miles is a long drive, Americans think 200 years is a long time.
     
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  12. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    Now that y'all have had your fun, I get to have mine. One of the last 2 beers from STAHLSTURM's STASH, both of which are from Prösselbräu Adlersberg. The first one up is the Bayerisch Dunkel.

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    From their website:
    Above it states:

    Bunch of marketing-speak, but you got the idea. It's also a Brauereigasthof, or brewery-inn and hotel. Looks nice but in the Qype (Yelp in Europe)reviews, it got lots of low ratings, mostly for terrible service and horrible food, it seems,... but no one complained about the beer.

    Now the beer. Yes, as they say, it's dark, chestnut brown with hints of orange under a vanilla-white head. The aroma is almost all malts, toasted, roasted malts and Vienna or Münchener malts, too, and virtually almost no hop aroma. I like the full mouthfeel, thick; it rolls over the tongue slowly. In the front you get a small hint of tartness and on the sides a hint of bitterness. The aftertaste, however, is where you taste that THIS a Märzen. In the back you get full-on malty sweetness, which is strong but not too intense, as they mentioned above. It's roasted and toasty in a typical Bayerische Märzen, so nothing unique here. Nonetheless, it's a very süffiges Bier, making it easy to drink and a joy to swirl around the mouth. It's a great beer but not WOW, almost the standard of what I'd use if someone wanted me to define a Märzen. It's not really better or worse than the other Märzen I've tried from Regensburg, but it may be the best balanced and easiest to drink. Personally, I would've like a tad more hops in it.

    As an aside, I'd love to taste some Mandarina or other hops that have a grapefruit flavor mixed in with this beer. I bet they the sweet maltiness would complement those hops wonderfully. I don't brew with Lager yeast, but I can imagine brewing a beer like that. Do you agree?
     
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  13. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2005 Germany
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    I have no idea where the complaints about the food come from. I've been eating there for 25 years and the food always was very good. The service however has gone down considerably over the past few years, I can attest to that. The serving wenches there are extremely unsightly, inflexible and uncooperative. It's bad to the point where my wife and I actually got up and left again after having been ignored by several waitresses for 30 minutes, just because we dared take a bench outside the area they felt comfortable walking out to. *shrugs*
    We actually had our wedding celebration in there 10 years ago so it pains me to write such a comment but it IS true :slight_frown:
     
    #453 Stahlsturm, Apr 30, 2013
  14. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    Is it a Maerzen or a Dunkel? I looked online (and read your quotes from the bottle), and all signs seem to point to the latter.
     
    #454 herrburgess, Apr 30, 2013
  15. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2005 Germany
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    It's a Dunkel and an extremely yummy one at that. Prösselbräu doesn't brew a specific Märzen.
     
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  16. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I don't know, whenever I've had full-bodied, dark-roasted malt beer that used highly fruity hops I've never enjoyed it myself. Even the likes of Sierra Nevada's Celebration, let alone their Stout and Porter, quickly fatigues my palate more from hop character than malts or alcohol. The grapefruit character in hops just seems to mix better with lighter (color and body) malts to me. JMO.
     
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  17. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    It tasted like a Märzen. It was darker than most Märzen, so it's a dunkles Märzen. Period. Full stop. Or maybe not.
     
    #457 boddhitree, May 1, 2013
  18. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Heh, Bodd invents the latest style craze... if only it was citrus hopped! :wink:

    Seriously, though -- I can see finding big similarities in Dunkel and the traditional Amber Märzen, but I always find a Dunkel to have more body and bolder in malt character compared to the soft, sort of elegant character in a good Märzen.
     
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  19. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    This is the last of STAHLSTURM's STASH, the Palmator Dunkler Doppelbock from Prösselbräu Adlersberg.
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    Thought you might like this video about the Palmator Bockbieranstich.


    Yep, the color is pitch black... ain't no light gettin' through this puppy... under a tan head with large light bubbles that last longer than I wished... shouldn't have made such a strong pour. ABV = 7.4%

    The aroma has plums, dates, sweet caramel, as if they were cooked all into a sauce! This smells almost like a Belgium trippel. Let's see if the flavor matches the wonderful aroma. The front has a decent amount of tartness and the sides give you some of the same flavor or plums, dates and sweet carmel, but also a little bitterness, not much, but it's noticeable if you try to find it. Then in the back it's sweet caramels but in a burnt, molasses kind of way. Yes, it's like motor oil, not as thick and chewy as Pax's Lakritz Oatmeal Stout, but the chewiest German brew I've had other than that. I love how it sits on the tongue and glides over it, going from tart, to plum/dates sweet to burnt, roasted flavors that I usually associate with sweet Stout. It still tastes like German malts, though, and doesn't feel like a British brew, yet it has some of the same quality without the esters and fruitiness of a London Ale yeast. I'm not sure that make sense, does it? The aftertaste is that same plum/dates/caramel mix flavor with Vienna or Münchener malt flavor thrown in as a teaser, just at the end. The only real drawback I feel is that you can taste the hotness of the alcohol. Being filtered and sitting in my cellar for 2 months should have helped that dissipate, but it's only something I noticed on the first few sips, after which it disappeared.

    Overall, this is close to a WOW beer. Except for the hotness of the alcohol you can taste, it's a great beer.
     
    #459 boddhitree, May 1, 2013
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  20. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Just have to jump in, as a graphic designer with a love of old-fashioned look & feel (see my avatar), I really love the nostalgic character of the Prösslbräu trademark. Anyone know if this is something they've carried over from the 20s or 30s?
     
    #460 steveh, May 1, 2013
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