biggest surprises, both good and bad

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by eatabagofbooger, Apr 27, 2013.

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  1. eatabagofbooger

    eatabagofbooger Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon

    What is the beer that surprised you the most by how well it aged? Not necessarily the best aged beer you've ever had, but the one with the biggest discrepancy between your expectations and the final result.

    And at the opposite end of the spectrum, what beer surprised you the most by how poorly it aged?

    This came to mind because my choice for each case has come up recently in this forum.

    The best surprise was Celebration. Is it a great beer aged? Is it better than fresh? I'd answer no to both of these questions, but I know others who disagree. Before last weekend, I always thought they were crazy. I mean we're talking about a fresh hop IPA with moderate abv; I'd expect this to be a drainpour after even a year, but I had a vert with '07-'11, and all of them were quite good in their own way. Even having heard about how well this ages, I was totally and completely shocked.

    The biggest disappointment was 2010 Jubel. When I had it fresh, I thought it was solid, but not great (I think a lot of this is that Deschutes has raised my expectations too high with the BB annis, Abyss, and Mirror Mirror). It also immediately struck me as a prime candidate for cellaring. I had a few bottles fresh, and had multiple opportunities to try it on tap and from the bottle throughout 2011 and 2012 and was shocked at how quickly it went downhill. It just became thin and bland, then oxidized in no time flat.
     
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  2. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    I agree totally about the Jubel.

    The biggest surprises, in a good way, were bottles of coffee Stouts that I aged to see what would happen. Yeah, the coffee went away but some, like Terrapin Wake-and-Bake in particular...ha, I even updated my original review, well...here's what I wrote: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/2372/21950/?ba=Bitterbill
     
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  3. traPISSED

    traPISSED Initiate (0) Apr 18, 2013 Brazil

    Biggest surprise that was good would of been a tiny bottle of English ale from the 1970's. Me and my friend opened up the 25cl bottle expecting it to be terrible but is was very nice indeed. I can't remember what the beer was and we could find no information about it. The abv was only 7.5% so it had done remarkably well for the strength.

    Worst surprise was a 2005 bottle of Stille Nacht sampled in 2010. It had been stored perfectly yet was very oxidised and bad. After we tried the 2005 Stille Nacht Reserva and it was unbelievably good. They were stored in exactly the same conditions.
     
  4. nsheehan

    nsheehan Savant (1,206) Jul 3, 2011 Texas
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    I have had only a few cellared beers compared to others (less than 50), and most of them were aged by someone else, so I never tried the fresh version. IIRC, I had a ~3 year old Shipyard Prelude winter warmer (it had been in a store's cold case for 3 years), and I thought it was great. Had a nice, smooth sweetness, but wasn't syrupy or too sweet IMO. Also found a 7 year old Blanche de Chambly in the same store and it was gross.

    I am about a month away from completing a small PtE experiment. I will have aged and tasted PtE at 3, 6, and 9 months of low quality cellaring. I did the 9 months first on a whim, and was pleasantly surprised. I think almost everyone will think it's better fresh (and by style it is). But there was something nice about reducing the hop taste a little bit and letting the malt play a bigger role; although I love the fresh smell and that weakened a bit too. As to which one I'd prefer, it depends on what I'm in the mood to drink (a great fresh DIPA or something more like a slightly malty IPA).
     
  5. henryspam

    henryspam Crusader (424) Jan 14, 2009 California
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    Totally agree. Bought two bottles back in December 2010 and thought it was some rare stuff. (Once a decade right? RIGHT?) Popped it a few months ago- I don't think mine was oxidized, but just totally blend and passable.

    The Deschutes and Hair of The Dog's Conflux #1 Collage is also another disappointment. It wasn't oxidized nor going downhill...I think it didn't even start out as a great beer and cellaring it didn't improve anything.
     
  6. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Espresso oak yeti and mephistopheles both made me happy to try this cellaring gig, lost abbey judgementt day had me ready to dump my whole cellar. Okay, not really, but it was pretty terrible.
     
  7. JoeDurp

    JoeDurp Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2011 Texas

    How long did you cellar the yeti?
     
  8. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Jubel 2010, ugh, planned to open one a year, and, if still alive, drink one next to a 2020. Instead have drank most of mine, and the last couple were getting really, well, not bad, but such sad shadows of their former selves.

    Not shocked, but kinda surprised to see how well Weyerbacher Heresy improves with a couple years on it. Palo Santo is well known as a good cellar candidate, but I have finally had a chance to taste mine 2 years old and they are even better than I could have dreamed they'd be.
     
  9. Ahappyhiker2

    Ahappyhiker2 Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2013 New Jersey

    Best positive surprise to me has been KBS, I've done verticals of it from several years and it's always great with a year on it. I'd say the biggest let-down has been 120 Minute. I had it 3 years old and it was sweet and gross, when I tried it fresh it had lots of hops and was 10 times better.
     
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  10. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Yeti had a year on it and it tasted great. Still a lot of coffee flavors, but not as bitter as she is fresh.
     
  11. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2010 California

    Another vote for Jubel 2010. It was fantastic for a while but it's nose diving in my opinion.
     
  12. VladTepes

    VladTepes Initiate (0) Oct 18, 2012 Finland

    How it was terrible? I have few...
     
  13. DogfishJoe

    DogfishJoe Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2010 Ohio

    Came here to say espresso yeti was my biggest disappointment, it smoothed out after a year but no coffee. Best aged beer I've had is backwoods bastard.
     
  14. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    As far as I remember I found an after taste off putting, similar to the one I find in most of unibroue's beers as well.

    Really? Mine still had a TON of espresso flavor.
     
  15. eatabagofbooger

    eatabagofbooger Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon

    BB is possibly my favorite beer ever. I drank it all the time when I was in Indiana for grad school. My desire to keep my cellar stocked with it fuels my trading habit. I only tried an aged bottle about a year ago and was blown away that such a great beer actually got even better!
     
  16. DogfishJoe

    DogfishJoe Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2010 Ohio

    Yeh I agree it taste like bb but more dark fruits, it's kick ass
     
  17. VladTepes

    VladTepes Initiate (0) Oct 18, 2012 Finland

    Hopefully it is just you. They were quite pricey, but I guess I should try soon.

    i have had only La Fin Du Monde from Unibroue and it was long time ago. I liked it though if remember correctly.
     
  18. justin_nj

    justin_nj Initiate (0) May 31, 2013 New Jersey

    Brooklyn Monster Ale is probably the most surprising for me so far. It's not such a great beer fresh but it ages very well.
     
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