Lagunitas will be last to can

i say fuck ya lagunitas...amen... hail marry pass a bottle so i can drink and give the bottle to a homeless guy...they see it as money and i see it as recycling

 

So based on your theory, the demand for aluminum cans will NEVER be higher than it is at this very moment? Even though the population is growing on every continent on the planet and the demand for resources has never been higher? Interesting. I wish my outlook was as optimistic as yours but it's not. Even if you could recycle every single piece of aluminum currently available from today forward you wouldn't be able to keep up with demand for very long. Saying "if everyone recycles" is just like saying "if everyone wore a condom". It will NEVER happen and thinking otherwise is ridiculous.

I think the point he was trying to make is that creating aluminum cans is more damaging to the Earth than creating glass bottles. Btw, I don't claim to be an expert on raw materials, Boxite harvesting, etc. But claiming the answer is "get everyone to recycle" is a pipe dream.

 

Jesus, really? First day on the internet? Do I really have to make the connection about irrational solutions to real problems to you?

 

It's alright, I get upset when I make awful posts too.

 

Adorable response Bro. Thanks for the insightful feedback? Witty retort? I'm striking out here. Sorry bout that.

Edit: I don't know why I'm doing this. I should know better by now. Shand I don't think you understood my comparison. I'm sorry I didn't articulate it well enough.

 

It's quite simple. Everyone recycling all their cans, regardless of the infeasibility of it, would be a great solution to the environmental impacts of our beer container choices. There are still plenty of ways to encourage more recycling. For example, more states adopting bottle and can deposits.

The government simply printing more paper money to combat national debt is not a great solution to fixing our debt solution. It is the opposite of a great situation, as all it would do is exacerbate the debt crisis. There's a big difference between an "irrational solution" and something that's not a solution at all.

Please, fell free to articulate it.

 

True. However, the energy requirements of recycling glass and transporting it far outweigh the energy requirements of recycling and transporting aluminum.

Calculations have been done (available online) and glass is only environmentally superior to aluminum if the bottles remain local. For anything shipped out of state, the environmental impact of shipping plus the environmental cost of recycling makes glass the inferior option.


I think if advances are made in the energy/transportation departments, glass will be superior to aluminum environmentally. But as it stands, Al is a better choice.

 

Basically what i was saying is that the idea that we can recycle every single piece of aluminum in the world is just as outlandish as thinking we can crawl out of debt by printing more money. Neither is feasible no matter how noble the cause of recycling is.

 

This is why i don't recycle glass.

 

I'd still consider it a flawed analogy, but your point is absolutely true. However, take a look at these California recycling redemption values for the past couple of years. Glass bottles and cans are currently recycled in California at a rate of well over 90% of the containers sold in the state. That is far, far better than the status quo in this country, and is a model I feel that more states should emulate. Again, concerns can be raised about the process of recycling glass, many of which have a lot of weight to them. However, recycling of aluminium is absolutely a better process than the creation of "virgin" aluminum cans, and anything that can influence more of this is not a bad thing.

 

What an obnoxious series of tweets.

The greatest advantage of canning concerns beer quality, in my opinion, not the environment. It seems like a bonus that most breweries just tack on in order to add some extra allure to the new package. It's not like the guys at Sierra Nevada really think they're doing mother earth a favor by continuing to send truckloads of beer across the country.

If Lagunitas really wants to be green they should grow all their own ingredients, get a whole bunch of farm animals (no machinery), do all their brewing using solar panels, bottle everything in reusable growlers and only sell to the Petaluma locals.

EDIT: Wait, I think I read somewhere that Crystalline Silicon is somehow harmful to the environment! Ditch the solar panel idea. How about thousands of hamsters huffing and puffing away on hundreds of little hamster wheels?

 

i think they should stop sending beer to people that disagree with them and send it to me...i recycle and i did some research on the cans...its way more dangerous and hazerdous in my opinion, but what do i know i live in bakersfield and drink beer and smoke weed and i might be a space case

 

Well said. I just put Lagunitas on my list of non-favorite breweries. If you don't want to can because of environmental reasons or any reasons for that matter, that't totally cool. But to feel the need to announce to the world that "hey look at me, I'm being environmentally friendly" is lame.

 

Aluminum cans are one of the few items that you can actually make a difference recycling.
Recycling aluminum cans saves 95 percent of the energy used to make aluminum cans from virgin ore. Can't do that with glass!!!

 

If you want to manufacture beer (or basically anything else for that matter) on a large scale, you will hurt the environment. I really don't care for the can vs. glass debate, I think the both have pros and cons. A ton of the environmental problems arise from other things in brewing besides cans vs. glass. Electricity use, gas for shipping, farming ingredients, chemical use. You could re-use glass bottles by washing them or recycle cans by melting, both would take energy. It's also not like Aluminum is only being mined for canning, there are 1000s of other industries that use it. I like how some breweries try to limit environmental impact but I just get sick of the green debates quickly. You just can't get past the fact that certain things we use in modern everyday life take massive amounts of energy, usually from coal and gas at the moment. There is no magic involved. Go live without electricity, cars or modern manufactured appliances/food/tools/clothes/anything if you want to be so environmentally friendly. It's just not valid for Lagunitas to say usage of cans is so bad when they have a massive brewery and distribution network. The refusal to use cans won't save the environment.

 

I hate to drag this out further, but I think all the posts here have proven my point: There is no definitive answer about what is more environmentally friendly at this point. Taking such a definitive stance with such tenuous supporting information is just stupid and arrogant.

What I was trying to get at earlier is that, obviously demand will grow and 100% recycling is not realistic, but there gets to a point where if we recycle a certain amount of aluminum, the amount of environmental damage we do creating the remaining portion of virgin aluminum will be less than the amount of environmental damage we do from the extra energy required to transport heavier bottles. And let's not downplay the amount of political and environmental problems we endure as a result of our dependence on fossil fuels.

 

though that may be true, that 95% savings still might not be better than other alternatives. All that statement does is compare recycled AL verse virgin AL rather than against other recycled materials

 

Oh, come on, hampsters wouldn't work either. Think about all the energy used to produce their little hampster food and all the methane coming from their little hampster farts.

 

I'm being arrogant and stupid? Your stance the during this ENTIRE discussion has been that we as people of the world can recycle every single piece of aluminum on earth and that we can meet the demands of aluminum production for the rest of eternity on the aluminum that we currently have in circulation. Period.

Actually what you said almost verbatim was that it was realistic to think that we could reuse all the aluminum without using virgin material to create more. Check your post.

I don't have a problem with recycling, I do it and encourage it. I also have no input on the mining of Boxite. What I was getting at was that the idea that we can get to a 100% recycling rate in the world is just as asinine as thinking we could get out of debt by printing more money. But thanks for twisting my words around while completely ignoring anything I typed or you typed for that matter. I'm done with this topic because it's not getting anywhere, it's not beer related, and it's a circus. Enjoy your day.

 

Ever since I had my first Torpedo in a can I've been day dreaming about a tall can PtE and how blasphemous it would be.