Why is craft beer on draft different than in the bottle/can?

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  1. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I went to a baseball game yesterday and I had a local craft beer two ways: one out of a can and immediately thereafter on draft. The draft beer was much better than the canned version. This was not a one-time observation. I have noticed this before (draft better than the can) many times before but this was my first back to back (I actually did a little side by side; some of the canned version left and a new glass of the draft version) experience. I should point out that both beers were initially served at comparable serving temperatures: something like 40°F.

    It is my understanding that the vast majority of craft breweries do not pasteurize their beers so I really don’t think that this difference is due to pasteurization.

    I also doubt that the difference is the amount of oxygen in the canned version; this craft brewery has a spanking new brewery (about one year old) with top of the line canning line.

    What else would make a draft version of a beer ‘better’ than a canned version?

    Cheers!
     
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  2. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    Were the ages of the beer similar?
     
  3. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    I've observed the same thing. To me, beer on draft usually just tastes fresher and seems to have more depth.

    I have absolutely zero evidence to back this up, but my hypothesis is that something about pouring the beer from a larger vessel through the tap causes the CO2 to be released in a different way (smaller bubbles maybe) and thus results in a better, fuller mouthfeel and thus a better-tasting beer. Maybe the beer in the keg is kept under higher pressure too. I'd be interested to learn more as well.
     
  4. Chaz

    Chaz Grand Pooh-Bah (3,668) Feb 3, 2002 Minnesota
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    Unpasteurized vs. pasteurized/flash-pasteurized?

    Freshness matters, too. Which brand was it, Jack?
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “Freshness matters, too.” I am very confident that both beers were very fresh.

    “Which brand was it, Jack?” Oh boy, I am reticent to ‘name names’ but here we go.

    The beer is Sly Fox Pikeland Pils. I have had this beer many, many, many times. I purchase cans from my local beer stores. This past weekend I had Pikeland Pils on draft both at the Sly Fox Brewpub (in Royersford, PA) and at the Phillies ball park (Citizens Bank Park). The beer (canned and draft) is currently brewed at the new Sly Fox brewery in Pottstown (which became operational in the spring of 2012). I have noticed the difference in the beers (canned vs. draft) for many years so this is not a function of the new brewhouse in Pottstown. In a nut shell the canned Pikeland Pils is a good Pilsner and enjoyable to drink (I have 5 cans in my refrigerator right now). The draft Pikeland Pils is a very, very good Pilsner; the draft version is one of my favorite SEPA Pilsners.

    I made this post since I had my first side-side/back-back drinking experience yesterday but the difference in can vs. draft has been mystifying me for years.

    Cheers!
     
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  6. Chaz

    Chaz Grand Pooh-Bah (3,668) Feb 3, 2002 Minnesota
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    Heh! I mainly thought -for the sake of comparison- it would be a fun thing for others to be able to try your experiment on their own, while out at a game. :wink:

    Edit: For what it's worth I have twice enjoyed cans of Pikeland Pils (one of which was rather old, the other quite fresh) and have to say that you're lucky to be able to make the comparison!

    It's a rare occurrence to find our locally-brewed Pils renditions on tap, let alone fresh. :slight_frown:
     
  7. BushDoctor

    BushDoctor Initiate (0) Oct 27, 2007 New York

    I do not know about Sly Fox, but Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is actual a different beer on tap versus the bottle. Slightly different gravities and IBUs.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Well, the canned Sly Fox was a bit of a mistake. My wife went out to buy beer. My request was actually for a draft Victory Prima Pils. I gave her 20 bucks and she comes back with her beer (draft Victory Hop Devil) and she hands me a can of Sly Fox Pikeland Pils with the statement of: you like Pikeland Pils. I responded: but why did you buy a can? Her reply: it was one stop shopping.

    My question to her was more for economic reasons:

    · Sly Fox Pikeland Pils on draft: $8.00 for a 20 ounce glass

    · Sly Fox Pikeland Pils can (12 ounces) for $7.75

    Charging $7.75 for 12 ounces of beer is just too much, IMHO.

    If others want to repeat my experiment maybe they could conduct it at a local beer bar vs. Citizens Bank Park (and save some money).

    Cheers!
     
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  9. 5thOhio

    5thOhio Pooh-Bah (1,571) May 13, 2007 South Carolina
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    I had a similar experience with Red Hook Longhammer IPA. Bought a bottle to sample and didn't care for it at all. Went out to eat some months later and that was the only decent draft option, so I thought, "what the heck" and ordered it. It was quite good on tap.
     
  10. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    There is going to be less variance in how the beer was processed and treated. It goes through a few extra steps when canned, and when shipped.

    That's my assumption anyway.
     
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I sort of see what you are postulating there.

    Let’s consider this from a macro level. The brewery is packaging the beer into two ‘versions’ of cans: a 12 ounce aluminum can and a 620 ounce (5 gallon) ‘can’ (sixtel keg). Is there really a drastic difference between these two processes?

    Cheers!
     
  12. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota


    My assumption is that they are separate systems. So the beer going into the keg from one system, and from one spout, and it's 5 gallons of beer. The can is coming from an entirely different system, that is poured 12 oz at a time, from a few different spouts through an automated system with more steps. The canning operation could be in an entirely different building than where the kegs are filled, or they could be canned by another company entirely. Just seems that your more likely to notice an impact on flavor, from the filling process, more rapidly from a beer packaged in smaller quantity.

    Then there's the shipping method. I would think it would be far easier to control temperature and shipping variance with the larger quantity of beer.
     
  13. keithmurray

    keithmurray Pooh-Bah (2,967) Oct 7, 2009 Connecticut
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    It's the one thing that craft brewers have yet to master - consistency. There's plenty of times I have bought the same bottled beer from the same brewery and had two separate experiences. It's just the nature of the beast. Most of the craft breweries who are celebrated have been in the game for less than 15 years. Hard to master a craft such as beer in such a short time frame. Add to the fact that you have a new 'flavor of the month' brewery popping up seemingly every 15 minutes, are you really surprised at the lack of consistency bottle to bottle, keg to keg and batch to batch?
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The canning and kegging occur in the same building. I am assuming that the same vendor was used for the canning line as the kegging line but that is indeed an assumption on my part.

    I do indeed realize that a canning line and the kegging line are two separate packing systems. They take beer from the lagering tanks (for Pikeland Pils) and package them in their respective packaging formats.

    Cheers!
     
  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    In this instance, Sly Fox is very consistent over a period of many years:

    · The canned Pikeland Pils is consistently good

    · The draft Pikeland Pils is consistently very good.

    Cheers!
     
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  16. RichardMNixon

    RichardMNixon Maven (1,431) Jun 24, 2012 Pennsylvania


    That was my first thought when I opened the thread, I much prefer Hop Devil on tap.

    On the other hand, I had a draft of Palo Santo Marron recently and thought the bottle was much better (draft was kind of vegetal and metallic).
     
  17. sarcastro

    sarcastro Savant (1,133) Sep 20, 2006 Michigan

    It is possible the kegs were kept cold the whole time, while cans/bottles may not have been.
     
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  18. DmouthCaliBrewz

    DmouthCaliBrewz Initiate (0) Mar 29, 2013 New Hampshire
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    I think a bit of this is in our heads, as there is just something magical about having a beer that is properly served on draught. However I definitely notice the difference too, and am curious. Mostly in carbonation/mouthfeel, however recently I noticed this weird trend in my palate:

    I definitely think pales/IPAs/lagers are often more enjoyable on tap, however weirdly enough I recently discovered that I prefer my higher gravity/bigger beers from the bottle. They just seem way bigger and bolder tasting, whether in roastiness, boozyness, or barrel character. I find that having an imperial stout on tap (obviously this happens if it's on nitro, but I'm not even talking bout that right now) almost mellows the beer out! Sometimes this is a good thing, and sometimes bad. For instance, I have had FBS both out of the bottle and on tap, and it was WAY mellower on tap. Granted FBS isn't a huge beer to begin with but some of the yummy sharp roasty coffee notes were toned down, and I was able to discern a lot more of the subtle malt character behind the coffee. Same happens with stone espresso IRS and old raspy.

    I find IPAs, pales, lagers, And most non-in-your face beers seem to become more flavorful and benefit from being on tap, whereas I feel bigger beers are mellowed out (again, not a bad thing, just different), especially imperials and barleywines.

    Anyone else find the same?
     
  19. KingSlayer

    KingSlayer Zealot (677) Dec 20, 2012 California

    cans and bottles have conservatives and stabilizers because you can never know how much time they will spend on the shelves, on the other hand barrel/kegged/draft beer has none of this because the keg goes straight down to the pub and is meant to be consumed in less than 45 days max. so its pretty fresh and doesnt have the beforementioned conserv and stabs
     
  20. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    The only beer I have ever seen that is EXACTLY the same on draft, in the bottle AND from the can is heineken. I don't know why it is but that beer never changes.
     
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