Why does beer taste different at different temperatures?

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  1. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I'm curious to know if anyone has any feedback or good links as to why beer tastes different at different temperatures.

    For instance:
    A crisp American lager will taste better at 40F and will not taste good at 60F
    A Russian Imperial Stout will taste bad at 40F and will really start to mellow out at 60F.
    Why is this?
     
  2. gcamparone

    gcamparone Pooh-Bah (2,131) Dec 6, 2011 Rhode Island
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    Cold beer numbs your tastebuds. Therefore when american lager gets warm, you start to realize just how nasty it tastes, and vice versa for a RIS
     
  3. Kikodamian

    Kikodamian Initiate (0) Feb 9, 2013 Florida

    Different flavors travel at different temperatures. If you can get a good head at a desirable temperature, it makes a world of difference - as I'm sure you noticed
     
  4. ivorycannon

    ivorycannon Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2013 Indiana

    For years and I mean years, I have been putting my Dreadnaughts in the freezer for at least 30 minutes. When it comes to Imperials in the freezer and as they warm up; it is freakin fantastic!!!!! And to quote Kikodamian different flavors travel at different temps.
     
  5. whiskey

    whiskey Maven (1,308) Feb 25, 2012 California
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    Yeah, I used to put DIPA's in the freezer until my palate adjusted. It took me awhile to realize how much better they were a bit warmer.
     
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  6. bayareahustla

    bayareahustla Zealot (656) Jul 13, 2012 California
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    this. cold numbs taste buds.
     
  7. ivorycannon

    ivorycannon Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2013 Indiana

    some, not all it depends on the quality!
     
  8. bayareahustla

    bayareahustla Zealot (656) Jul 13, 2012 California
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    i agree, ipas are jam packed full of flavor, even at 35 degrees they punch you in the mouth. Let one warm and it might end up punching you in the temple and killing you........... get it?
     
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  9. whiskey

    whiskey Maven (1,308) Feb 25, 2012 California
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    My statement was with the assumption that we're on BA and we're drinking good beer. :slight_smile:

    Shitty beer is always better cold!
     
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  10. shredder83

    shredder83 Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2013 Illinois

    This.

    Couldn't have said it better myself.
     
  11. shredder83

    shredder83 Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2013 Illinois

    Like what has been said already, after you start not just "drinking" but really drinking amazingly brewed craft beers you come to learn a few things:

    1. AAL's only taste good when they're super cold or you're already drunk.
    2. If any style beer is too cold, your palate will be slightly numbed and you won't be able to taste your beer as well.
    3. Most styles of beer are better when they've been given a bit of time out of the fridge...or a bit in the fridge, because the flavors open up more when they aren't as cold.
    4. Just because everyone else loves something doesn't mean you will. Experiment, try new styles, in different glassware, and at different temperatures; you never know what you'll fall in love with unless you try for yourself. :slight_smile:
     
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  12. Casey3236

    Casey3236 Pooh-Bah (1,641) Sep 14, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    Taste is 80% smell. There is more evaporation at higher temperature and therefore more vapors travel thru the sinuses and into the olfactory sensors. Hence, more flavor at higher temps. As was said here, crappy beer is less crappy cold because you can't taste as much of it.
     
  13. YogiBeer

    YogiBeer Initiate (0) May 10, 2012 Illinois

    Volatile aroma compounds moving faster at higher temps, so more of them are able to be released. Baaaaasically what Casey said. Same reason why foods served cold need to be seasoned more heavily.
     
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  14. ivorycannon

    ivorycannon Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2013 Indiana

    LOL shitty beer does not have temp! I understand what you are trying to say, but you know as well as I do, truly shitty beer, no matter the temp, will not save it. Of course, it is all a matter of opinion!
     
  15. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    One of the things I like about Heady Topper is that over the course of the 16 oz, it changes for me. Out of the fridge at 38 it is one thing, but by the end at 45-50 it is another.

    I still love a 35 degree PBR on a hot day, and a few gulps later when it is gone it is still 35 degrees.
     
  16. joeebbs

    joeebbs Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2009 Pennsylvania

    if cold numbs taste buds how come I can taste the flavor of ice cream?
     
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  17. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    But haven't you noticed it is less bold the longer you are eating it? Your taste buds are getting more and more numb.
     
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  18. LeRose

    LeRose Grand Pooh-Bah (4,423) Nov 24, 2011 Massachusetts
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    This lays a little science on the subject without getting too deep. This search term - TRPM5 and taste and Temperature - got me to this article (the real paper referenced isn't free). There's a bunch of heavier stuff on this and most of the other searches I tried came up with not much specific on the question of why taste perception changes with temperature, just studies saying that it does change with temperature, not why. Interesting is that this is delinked from aroma but there's articles on that as well.


    http://www.health.am/ab/more/how_temperature_influences_our_taste/
     
  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    That article was an interesting read but you were correct in pointing out: “Interesting is that this is delinked from aroma …”

    We frequently use the word “taste” but a more accurate word would be “flavor”. What we are really interested in are the flavors that beers provide. Perceiving flavors is a combination of our taste buds with our perception of aromas; in my opinion the aroma perception is more important than our taste perception.

    There is a ‘popular’ experiment where you close somebody’s nose, blindfold them and ask them to bite an onion and ask them to describe the taste/flavor of what they are eating. Some people will say they just ate an apple.

    Cheers!
     
  20. LeRose

    LeRose Grand Pooh-Bah (4,423) Nov 24, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Exactly...as we say up heah in Massachusetts it's wicked complicated! This work - and there is a TON of it that pops up - is focused on the physiological (or I guess neurological?) response of the pathway, so the mechanics of ONE aspect of what makes up flavor. Add the interaction with aromas and that changes the whole picture. There was an article that did a similar study to this with aroma and temperature but except for a couple sentences it was in one of the Eastern languages is couldn't read much, but I bet there's more. Google Scholar search and you get rid of the "fluffy" stuff and can usually at least read the abstracts.

    Cheers.
     
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