Molecular Engineering of Yeast

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  1. jtmartino

    jtmartino Initiate (0) Dec 11, 2010 California

    Wait, this is your thread. Did you read the article? They are building the yeast genome from scratch. The first time it has been done on a eukaryotic organism. Read the 3rd and 5th paragraph.

    Definitely synthetic. And with far greater implications than simply beer price and strength.
     
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  2. jtmartino

    jtmartino Initiate (0) Dec 11, 2010 California

    Bigger yeast infections. :wink:
     
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  3. pattermj

    pattermj Initiate (0) May 31, 2008 Virginia



    Quotes from the article which make me think the journalist doesn't understand the difference between synthetic and modification, as such the title of the original article I feel is incorrect. But if they want to send me the grant proving they are deriving the entire genome themselves then I may feel different.

    "to recreate a slimmed down version of Saccharomyces cerevisiae, the yeast used in the brewing industry to ferment beer." To me this is saying gene knockout, not synthetic combination of whole geneome.

    "then aim to redesign parts of the yeast genome so that it can perform functions that are not possible naturally." Insertions from other organisms, definitely cDNA, but again still modification, no different from Monsanto GMO.

    "Clearly there are strains of yeast that are highly resistant to alcohol, but they all die off as the alcohol gets higher, so making more alcohol resistant strains will be very useful for that industry in terms of cost value." Again, synthetic sequence amplified from another yeast strain added to an existing genome, standard GMO, Mansanto did it a decade + ago.


    The entire yeast genome is 16 chromosomes and 12 million NTs. Again this may be based upon a difference in field, but my field would not qualify the modification or addition of genes as a purely synthetic organism or as they say in the article 'first time a genome has been built from scratch for a eukaryotic organism'. To me, if they were making a completely synthetic organism, they would have already identified ALL genetic links to differ yeast factors, which they have not. They have identified a few.

    Completing a little more reading on this side of science, it appears yeast is very friendly towards genetic modification and insertion. Dr. Venture takes credit for the first true synthetic cell in 2010 in a paper 'Creation of a bacterial cell controlled by a chemically synthesized genome.' where they designed the entire controlling genome sequence digitally. This sequence was under 1.1 million NTs and was primarily a combination of 2 strains of the same bacteria. Funny thing is they used yeast to amplify, for plasmid growth, portions of their synthetic sequence. The entire sequence was then combined and transplanted into a cell where the genome could control replication and metabolism. This is what I would personally qualify as synthetic but maybe other, more experienced scientists in the field would disagree.

    So yes I did read it, and as a doubter of most 'journalist' reports of science, don't fully trust the report to correctly describe the science. But this may be field specific, or it may be the researchers are actually planning a full synthetic yeast. But I don't believe this as we do not have the knowledge base to fully utilize it as of yet. As many have said, we need to better elucidate the genetic determinants of many different factors of yeast before we look for a pure synthetic.

    Sorry for the long post :slight_smile:
     
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  4. MssrTussaud

    MssrTussaud Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2013 California

    As a former grad student, believe me when I say that beer drives the science of the future.
     
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  5. DmouthCaliBrewz

    DmouthCaliBrewz Initiate (0) Mar 29, 2013 New Hampshire
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    GAHHH BEAT ME TO IT. Thought I was so clever.......

    Have you ever seen I Am Legend? I picture them being somewhat like that....
     
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  6. Stinkypuss

    Stinkypuss Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Shhh. Theyre on to us.
     
  7. CASK1

    CASK1 Pundit (951) Jan 7, 2010 Florida

    I agree with the waste of a food resource to make ethanol. Where I think GMO microbes have potential is in cellulosic ethanol. Generally, cellulose ("dietary fiber") can't be broken down except for a few very select microbes (bacteria in a termite's gut, for example). There are lots of interesting pilot projects to engineer microbes or enzymes to accomplish this. Use the corn kernel for food/feed; use the corn stalk for ethanol. I'd love to see this succeed.
     
  8. HighLowJack

    HighLowJack Savant (1,230) Jun 5, 2013 Massachusetts
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    I have little idea about the particulars of what you're talking about, but 100% applaud you for applying science here. people fear change which is where resistance to your ideas have come from.

    keep on keeping on
     
  9. Uniobrew31

    Uniobrew31 Pooh-Bah (1,567) Jan 16, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    UHG!!! It's beer!!! Water hops yeast malt. Scientist should study liver failure and beer gut reductions...that's what beer drinkers need from them! We already know how to make awesome beer! ;-) and no I did not do very well in science class.
     
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  10. BEERMILER12

    BEERMILER12 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,725) Sep 11, 2010 Maine
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    I guess I should have specified the "this" that I was referring to. I was simply stating that it is unnecessary to engineer a yeast that survives higher alcohol percentages and makes beer cost less (see the point(s) that I originally gave). As I also stated in my original post, I have no problem with them trying to modify yeast in order to do other things such as those that the OP suggested or those that you have stated. I believe that those could be huge. I just don't think that was the main point of the article (and if it isn't the main point, then the title and most of the content is highly misleading).
     
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  11. Peter_Wolfe

    Peter_Wolfe Initiate (0) Jul 5, 2013 Oregon


    My background is in organic chemistry, but I worked in a genetics lab as an undergraduate and I have a tremendous amount of interest and excitement regarding the work that is going on right now in this field. I would echo the sentiment that people that are scared of GMO are woefully ignorant - I don't think it's hyperbole to say that GMO could herald the second green revolution.

    I'm not sure how much you've read on the subject, but I know researchers in China have been making GMO S. cerevisiae strains for about 6 years now. Their initial goal was to introduce genes from other fungi and bacterial species to make cerevisiae more adept at making fuel ethanol. Specifically, they introduced genes for a variety of beta-glycosidase enzymes so that the yeast could more efficiently utilize all the glucose present (from cellulose, cellobiose, and other normally unusable sugars). An unexpected side effect of this was that the yeast could now hydrolyze glycosides which were glycone/aglycone (i.e. a glucose beta-linked to a hop aroma terpenoid like linalool). Hops naturally produce a lot of glycosides, and in the past 4 years or so there has been a lot of research interest in figuring out whether they a "hidden" source of aroma in beer. Some work indicates that glycosides may be the source of "kettle hop flavor", where the normal aroma compounds are otherwise steam-distilled away up the kettle chimney.

    None of these Chinese S. cerevisiae strains are in the US. No brewery I am aware of uses a GMO yeast. I think they'd get crucified if they even tried. There is a lot of resistance towards GMO in the US, and I think the vast majority of that resistance is completely unwarranted. Even though I like the "romantic" aspect of having a 300 year-old house yeast, there are a lot of very good things that good be done to produce a better fermenting engine. Pick a flaw - we could fix it. Some very simple things I would initially want out of a GMO yeast:

    • Fix the downregulation of maltose/maltotriose transporters in the presence of glucose (fix glucose repression)
    • Add a good beta-glycosidase enzyme to ensure glycoside hydrolysis
    • Increase ethanol tolerance to ~20%. Not because we need to be making 20% beers, but because we would then have better cell viability for re-pitching.
    • Fine tune/customize ester production.
    • Lower higher-alcohol production (not much can be done about propanol, but I think we can lower butanol and up) .
    • Fine tune/customize flocculation. Want a yeast that never settles so you can have a continuous fermentation like they're attempting at Weihenstephan? Fixed. Want a yeast that reliably flocculates and settles after X days? Fixed.
    • Increase SO2 production. This molecule is one of the best endogenous antioxidants in beer and really stretches out the shelf life. Right now you have to stress your yeast out to coax increased production; it would be nice if the yeast just obliged without that requirement.
    Just a few thoughts from a pro-GMO scientist. It's the future, and it's a good future, as long as we don't let fear, litigation, and antiquated copyright law screw everything up.
     
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  12. pattermj

    pattermj Initiate (0) May 31, 2008 Virginia

    Nice to get someone with the right background talking. My main experience with this is recombinant viral genetics and some of the historic bioweapons (bacterial) developed by the Soviets. While people claim that yeast is one of the least expensive items (true) it is also, I think, one of the most important. It being cheap just means any modifications we make to it in the end will be cheap (for mass production) AND provide better brewing control. I bet many industries wished their best option for GMO was also their cheapest ingredient.
     
  13. broodog

    broodog Zealot (693) Jul 18, 2009 Illinois


    Yeast doesn't cost me a cent. I have various cultures which I re use when home brewing.

    I'm sure BMC will be all over this. I doubt home brewers and craft breweries will use artificial yeast on a large scale.

    Brewing is both art and science. To make a great beer, you need both.
     
  14. jfh

    jfh Zealot (514) Apr 25, 2008 California
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    oh no, this is going to sound terribly vague, but it was a long time ago, so here goes: I was a grad student in the early/mid 80s. Upstairs from me was a lab that did some work on yeast (but mainly E.coli and B subtilis); the PI was very well known as the R in pBR322. He had a visiting scientist from a brewery (can't remember which one, Carlsberg springs to mind) who was on a quest to isolate the gene for an enzyme that was responsible for making a chemical that was in their opinion, an off flavor. I don't know the flavor or the chemical or if they succeeded. So, folks have been doing these sorts of things perhaps longer than realized? And of course without mol bio, folks have been cultivating particular strains as house strains for years, right?
     
  15. pattermj

    pattermj Initiate (0) May 31, 2008 Virginia


    See I disagree, the fact yeast is so cheap means home breweries can definitely make use. Even specifically patented strains will still have minimal cost. Think about being able to buy 3 strains of the same yeast, all with ethanol production terminators at specific percents (3, 5, 9) but otherwise exactly the same. GMO yeast would give homebreweries so much more power over their own beers making them more comparable to what the bigger BMC companies have through mass production and technology/equipment. When/if specific hybrid strains are produced, the breweries which experiment are going to be on the frontline of new styles, and this normally occurs in a home/test brew situation way before a large BMC environment. I foresee homebreweries being the first group to truly utilize the potential of GMO yeast.

    And yes brewery is an art, but just as cooking has developed in the recent decades, if you mix it half and half with a good scientific background you have more consistency and better quality. If brewing 'artists' refuse to educate and evolve with the technology, I just don't see them competing in a world where things can be better controlled. But also remember, with the advent of novel yeast strains comes so many more variables for brewing. Just like the large number of different grain types, the new yeast strains could add greater diversity to the beers being brewed just because so many people will be using slightly different variations.



    Very true, selection cultivating has been around for centuries but is hit and miss and not cost effective. I can definitely see bigger breweries getting in on this decades ago and using the same processes (again reason I don't see what is stated in the primary article as synthetic). But with the drastic reduction in costs for molecular genetics, I think it is now cost effective for many more organizations than just BMCs.
     
  16. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    While this is a fun idea, what really needs to be done first is genomic sequencing of all current brewery strains, organismal level quantitative analysis mRNA transcripts and quantitative proteomics studies, and computational mapping of of all metabolic pathway networks.

    Having altered promoters turn on and off for brute force alcohol production really won't be of any use unless we know WTF we are doing to the organism, and additionally, just turning genes on without alteration of compensating pathways may not improve traits, as thinking is less and less of one gene one function and more of a network/systems approach. Making a strong beer full of fusel alcohols or unpleasant esters wouldn't be nearly as cool as being able to craft unique yeast strains to do what we want on a flavor/taste and aroma level.

    As someone in the tail end of their Biochemistry and Molecular Biophysics Ph.D. (Caltech) with a previous work history as an analytical chemist, molecular engineer (Engineering bacteria and yeast metabolism to make anti-cancer drugs and antibiotics, specifically polyketides) and former hop chemist, I think engineering of yeast strains would be very cool, however there are pitfalls (see above).

    An alternate technique instead of synthesizing genomes from scratch would be directed evolution. Directed evolution takes existing biological platforms (bacteria, proteins, etc.) and introduces mutations (Random PCR, Gene Shuffling, UV Mutation, etc.) and selects for new traits via specific biological assays (e.g. Phage Display, GC-MS, absorbance assays), and has a track record of producing some incredibly important pharmaceutical and industrial enzymes/proteins/bacteria/yeast. Directed evolution has the one big advantage that pre-existing biological entities (yeast/bugs, etc.) can be used for evolution, which in some ways is much easier than synthesizing a genome from scratch.

    Whole point was not to be a downer, as I agree that biological engineering is the future of yeast generation, but to provide some intellectual jumping off points.
     
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  17. broodog

    broodog Zealot (693) Jul 18, 2009 Illinois

    File thread under: "Postgraduate Molecular Biology circle jerk"
     
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  18. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    Not sure why the big fascination with ethanol content. Rather have a good tasting beer with slight variations in ethanol content than an unpleasant beer with an accurate and precise ethanol level.
     
  19. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California



    Definitely synthetic. Their trying to remove the "genomic fat" from the yeast strain and make it more amenable to future genetic modifications. Just knocking out single genes is pointless without apriori knowledge of their functions and the effects on metabolism as a whole, plus there is already a complete single gene saccharomyces cerivisae knock out collection for studying the effects of single knockouts.





    I don't fear GMO, but Monsanto's ignorance scares the shit out of me.
     
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  20. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    I agree with you on one thing. GMO is very similar to "regular" breeding programs. Folks would be wise to lump them together, as they are basically the same.

    I think the jury is still out on whether they should be feared, and in fact it is my belief that the breeding we embark on with little practical knowledge of consequences needs very much to be feared. Were we to argue this point I would merely point to how the consequences to nature of our technology, in general, have panned out so far as my side of the argument.
     
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