Pilsner and Lager Beers

Yes, everybody seemed quite happy to let the countries of origin decide what their beers should be called.I wonder why people found it necessary to ignore the background and provenance ?

 

To add a wee bit more information, some German brewers, way back when, shortened Pilsener to Pils so that other German speakers would recognize that their beer was in the style made in Pilsn (which at one time was in a German speaking region of Bohemia and so was Pilsen in German spelling). They probably wanted their customers to recognize that the beer was one that was locally brewed in Germany rather than one that had been brewed in Pilsen (Pilsn) and imported. Some German and American brewers still honor that distinction, many others do not, and in both the US and Germany "Pilsener" has become fairly common, with, as you say, Pils being used as a suitable substitute.

 

He is also one of the most knowledgeable people on the planet regarding beer matters. If you read the article I linked to you will find that it's backed up with lots of contemporary and respected sources.Most of what's written about beer these days is stuff that's been repeated, copied and pasted but never checked for accuracy , fact or truth.Have a look at this and see that he's pretty well informed;
http://www.europeanbeerguide.net/
His "condescending attitude" is the result of people arguing with him whose only sources are gossip from the local club or poorly researched material from the internet.

 

The company must have been owned by an Englishman.

 

But Porter isn't an Ale, it's a Beer.

 

Now a Dutchman is siding with the English. I thought they had more sense.

In the rest of the world, all ales and lagers are beers. Beer is the overall name of the beverage, like wine is. Beer and wine are then broken down into categories, and then styles within those categories.

Just checked - he's an Englishman living in the Netherlands. Comment makes sense now.

 

Funnily enough a large percentage of my readership consists of American homebrewers. And professional brewers.

 

Not all of them.

 

Probably more "cutesy colonial," especially in your area.

 

You sir, have covered the bases for Ohio.

 

Have yet to see the Summer Teeth in NE Ohio this year...WTF??

 

Cellar Rats P.O.C. pilsner...

 

I've mellowed over the years.

 

To further annoy you all, Pale Ale is also a Beer, not an Ale.

 

Haha to further annoy you all, we Americans decided that since we outnumber you by a factor of 6 and live in a country 22 times your size we can decide for ourselves how we categorize what we drink.

While we bow to tradition we don't kiss its ring.

 

What's this Marquis? Referring to all your various types of malt and hop beverages with the global term "beer"? I'm surprised you didn't say "ales AND beers". Glad you've finally seen the light , joined us and the rest of the world, and given up the fight.

 

My objection is really the gross ignorance and misuse of the word "ale" as if it's a synonym for top fermented beer.As I said earlier, this was plucked out of the air with no reference to facts.

 

What we lack in numbers we make up in beauty and quality
But it's not just the UK you do this to, it's Germany and other great brewing nations.Bowing to tradition and building on it is one thing, trampling on it and ignoring it is a different matter.

 

When "beer" is used more specifically than as a generic term for fermented grain beverages, what does it denote? I seem to recall (most fuzzily) hearing it used in contrast to Mild before; is it a reference to relative hoppiness?

Help me out, United Kingdom.

EDIT: And yes, I've googled this question before but I just keep coming up with "beer" the way Americans use the term.