Wyeast 3711: a BEAST!

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  1. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    Brewed a 3 gallon saison yesterday, split into 3 one gallon fermenters. Used 1 Wyeast 3711 pouch, made a 1.5 litter starter on Friday. Decanted and used about 100ml of yeast starter in each 1 gallon fermenter, at 76 F.

    Had airlock activity in all 3 fermenters within 20 minutes, had vigorous activity within 30 minutes (bubble every 2 seconds) and all 3 had blown off the airlocks within the first hour.

    Oh, and this is AFTER having added a couple drops of Fermcap in each fermenter!

    Never seen anything like it. Is this typical of 3711? What a monster!
     
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  2. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Yes, 3711 is a beast and will take your gravity down extremely low. I generally end up in the 1.002-1.004 range with it while I have seen people say they were below 1.000 with it. I love that this yeast is not finicky in any way shape or form.
     
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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    +1 to: “I love that this yeast is not finicky in any way shape or form.”

    Cheers!
     
  4. Boozecamel

    Boozecamel Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2011 Canada (BC)

    I have my 3711 saison nicely bubbling away too =) My first try at the style, very keen to get it into a bottle.
     
  5. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    I used 3711 and it was incredibly fast...probably helped that I added honey to the boil. I used a blow-off tube, which I use regardless of the OG, and I'd encourage everyone to do...I don't even use an air-lock for most of my beer...just a blow-off for the 2-3 weeks of ferm.

    Anyway, I forgot to take an FG, and when I took it after the addition of priming sugar it was 1.003...a beast indeed!
     
  6. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California


    I've always used fermcap, and have never had to use a blow-off tube ever before... this was my first time I've ever had a airlock blow. So I was pretty surprised when all 3 did within 15 minutes of each other. :sunglasses:
     
  7. NiceFly

    NiceFly Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    You used 100ml of yeast slurry in 1 gallon?
    No wonder it blew the airlock off. It wasn't 3711 it was the amount of yeast you pitched. Any yeast would have blown up.
     
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  8. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota


    I don't like fermcaps, in the sense that I don't like adding chemicals to a beer if I don't have to. It's not a quality concern or anything...it's just that it rubs me the wrong way.
     
  9. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California


    Come on now, a little dimethylpolysiloxane's never hurt anyone. :slight_smile:
     
  10. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California


    I don't use a stir plate, and only do a bit of "manual" aeration with my starters. 100ml of slurry per 1 gallon has always insured good fermentation in the past, but as I stated before, I've never experienced anything like airlocks blowing off. I've also not experienced any off-flavors from overpitching with this amount of yeast. How much slurry do you use per gallon of beer?
     
  11. NiceFly

    NiceFly Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    By slurry I mean the cake at the bottom of a cold crashed starter. I am not sure we are defining that term the same.
    I assume 4.5 billion cells/ml of slurry. How much slurry I add depends on the OG of the beer I am brewing.
     
  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    So each one gallon fermenter had one gallon of wort, with little/no headspace?
     
  13. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California


    Same amount of headspace I always have. Each gallon carboy can probably hold something like 1.2 gallon, so when you have 1 gallon of wort in there, that's usually enough space for vigorous fermentation.
     
  14. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California


    I decanted, but the starter only spent about 3 hours cold crashing, so the yeast slurry was not completely separated from the starter wort, i.e. not at full strength compared to cold-crashing overnight then decanting.
     
  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    By my reckoning you seem to have a 20% headspace. That seem small to me. I primary ferment my 5 gallon batches in a 7.9 gallon bucket (>50% headspace).

    Cheers!
     
  16. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California


    Here's a gallon of beer fermenting in one of those gallon fermenters. Full krausen with no issues, usually. No so with 3711. (Not that I'm complaining).


    [​IMG]
     
  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Thanks for that picture. My only ‘test instrument’ is my eyeballs but:

    · It appears that you have plenty of headspace there

    · I would guess that your fermenter is a 1.5 gallon jug

    My guess is that you have something like 50% headspace there.

    Have you ever actually measured the volume of your jug?

    Cheers!
     
  18. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I've got another pouch of 3711, gonna make another beast-beer soon. I don't think there's anything 3711 won't gobble down in record time. If you forgot the wort, they'd probably eat the bucket. :sunglasses:
     
  19. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    Not gonna get in a pissing match here, but there is visually (at most) 50% more headspace than the wort height there (recall there is a picture from above affecting our perception of height). Based on the narrowing, that is nowhere near 1.5 US gallons. My guess is that is a 1 imperial gallon jug (which is 1.2 original gallons)...
     
  20. ShawDeuce22

    ShawDeuce22 Crusader (457) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts

    I'm not really a stickler for numbers, and I'm not trying to be a dick, but this one was bothering me for some weird reason.

    I think your percentage numbers are even smaller than you are calculating. I'll start off with a base example of "a glass half full" which means it is 50% full, therefore, 50% (of that vessel) is headspace. In the OP's 1.2gal fermenter with 1gal of wort the headspace will be 16%. Your fermenter of 7.9gal with 5gal of liquid has ~37% headspace.

    Back to the OP, I'm glad you brought this up b/c I am using this yeast this weekend and I'll be putting a blow off tube on from the start.

    Cheers!
     
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