English IPA dry hop

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  1. Smokebox_79

    Smokebox_79 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Planning on doing an oaked English IPA in a couple weeks. wondering what recommendations for a good English hop to dry hop with. And what kind of oak cubes and bourbon to use. First attempt at oaking.
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Fuggles and EKG leap to mind.
     
  3. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    The classic EKG dry hopping is what I use, 2 oz for 5 gallons works.

    Someone else will have to answer the oak question.
     
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  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I also would recommend EKG for dry hopping. I dry hop my Bitter Ales with 2 ounces of EKG. Just a heads up that EKG is not a potent hop as compared to American aroma hops (e.g., Centennial, Cascade, Citra, Amarillo, etc.) so the 2 ounces will provide some nice dry hop aroma but it will not jump out at you. If you are looking for a BIG dry hop aroma you should use more than 2 ounces of EKG.

    I am trying to ‘rationalize’ the aspects of “oaked English IPA” and “oak cubes and bourbon”. Adding bourbon to the mix does not equate to an English IPA.

    On my list of beers to brew is a Bourbon Barrel Porter. In that beer I will be using 2 ounces of Medium toasted American Oak cubes along with 16 ounces of Bourbon (likely Makers Mark). I do not know whether this would be appropriate for an English IPA.

    When I make my Bourbon Barrel Porter it will be my first time using oak, I have done a fair amount of reading on using oak and it seems to be a bit tricky since there are so many variables/choices:

    · Type of oak: American, French, Hungarian

    · Amount of toast to the oak

    · Format of oak: cubes, chips, etc.

    · How long should the contact time be for the oak: 1 week, 2 weeks, months?

    · Etc.

    Hopefully somebody who has a lot of experience with using oak will chime in.

    Cheers!
     
  5. jlpred55

    jlpred55 Initiate (0) Jul 26, 2006 Iowa

    I agree on the EKG. I like to dry hop mine after aging and right before consumption. I'll usually let the hops sit on the beer the whole time in this stage (keg hop). I've tried the other way but I never got the desired effect unless I used a ton of dry hops.
     
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  6. mnstorm99

    mnstorm99 Initiate (0) May 11, 2007 Minnesota

    My first recommendation would be NOT to put the bourbon in an IPA, it might be an interesting experiment...but could ruin an entire 5 gallon batch. EKG or Fuggles would be great and a simple oak addition could also be a great idea. If you are going to do both, add more hops than normal to the late boil additions since some will fade over the oak aging process and add the dry hops after the beer has aged on oak.
     
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  7. Smokebox_79

    Smokebox_79 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    EKG was my first idea too, so Im glad everyone else said so too. Made me feel I know a thing or 2! I got a 4-pack of Burton Baton from DFH and it's amazing. Gave me the inspiration to oak an IPA. Just looking for a subtle oak flavor behind the hoppiness. Going for cubes since I've read they have a better more rounded flavor. But I dont want it overbearing.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    You can oak without adding bourbon; it is the bourbon aspect that is not traditional for an English IPA.

    Cheers!
     
  9. InVinoVeritas

    InVinoVeritas Initiate (0) Apr 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    I'm relatively new to brewing, so nothing to add about oak and bourbon within an IPA. However, I really liked the aroma from dry hopping Northern's Anarchy In the UK British-style American IPA kit. Here's what's in the recipe for dry hopping:

    1 oz Ahtanum
    1 oz Centennial
    1 oz Falconer's 7Cs
     
  10. mnstorm99

    mnstorm99 Initiate (0) May 11, 2007 Minnesota

    I think my head just blew up
     
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  11. michaeltrego

    michaeltrego Crusader (447) May 21, 2004 New Hampshire

    I'll be attempting an English IPA for the first time as well at the end of the month. I plan to kettle hop with Challenger and Golding to 50 IBU. And then dry hop in 2 waves for 3 days each with Willamette, Golding and Amarillo at a ratio of 3:2:1. I'm hoping a little Amarillo will be a nice compliment to the earthiness without taking over the aroma profile.
     
  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Please report back on how your beer turns out. There is no metric for hop flavor/aroma capability.

    If I had to guess I would say that Amarillo is 4 times more powerful than East Kent Goldings hops. In other words 1 ounce of dry hopping with Amarillo would be equivalent to dry hopping with 4 ounces of EKG; but I want to emphasize that this is just a guess.

    Cheers!
     
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  13. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I've done something similar with centennial. Made the aroma a bit brighter, which was quite nice.
     
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  14. Pick

    Pick Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2013 Texas

    Sounds like it will fun to brew...need some help????? :grinning:
     
  15. Smokebox_79

    Smokebox_79 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    As always Brother Pick!
     
  16. Smokebox_79

    Smokebox_79 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Decided to go the cheap ass vodka route! Have 2oz soaking for almost 2 weeks now. Going to rack it on Friday or Saturday. Also wondering if I should add the vodka or just the cubes.
     
  17. mnstorm99

    mnstorm99 Initiate (0) May 11, 2007 Minnesota

    Just add the oak. The only reason to add the liquid is if you want some additional flavor in the finished product, like bourbon. Vodka won't add anything to the beer, it was only there to kill nasties on the oak.
     
  18. Smokebox_79

    Smokebox_79 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    I was thinking that too. I figured the vodka would have a little oak flavor in it, but since Im looking for just a little "umph" of oak flavor I was going to dump the vodka.... sanitizing everything as I go of course! :cP Thanks for the info!
     
  19. mnstorm99

    mnstorm99 Initiate (0) May 11, 2007 Minnesota

    Good point on the oak flavor in the vodka, but I wouldn't worry about it...there should be plenty of oak flavor left in the oak :wink:

    Cheers
     
  20. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Oaking isn't traditional either , brewers went to great lengths to avoid it.
     
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