VSS and BA Speedway release

Quick being a troll, Dick.

 

I didn't meant in a bad way, just an ironic has tag thing.

 

I bet you are a hoot at parties, aren't you? What's wrong with complaining and being trolls among friends? (even those of the Internet variety)

I'm not sure whether or not this is an ABC issue, is it? Many stores have licenses of sorts to redistribute special release stuff. For all we know this guy has a tacit agreement with Alesmith to do so. I'd probably point it out to Alesmith before the ABC if I wanted to be nasty about it.

 

I don't see why this correlates at all with being a hoot at parties, care to explain? And unless Alesmith actually distributed it to them (in which case ABC would find paperwork and it would be fine) it was illegal, full stop. Stores cannot buy something as a customer and then resell it. Lots do because no one cares enough to actually stop them.

 

on my phone and too lazy to look it up, do you have a link for them? I will add them to the conversation

 

This is the person I've talked to about growler laws: [email protected]

 

thanks, I will e-mail her later

 

Because you turned an amusing aside into a serious issue. But then again, obviously nano takes it seriously as well, so I digress. I wasn't complaining as much as I was pointing it out, but maybe I should have been sneakier and got somebody important to notice before I blew the horn.

Per your second point, I'm a bit confused. I've seen a lot of stores talk about having a reserve license to the Bruery, but maybe they've gotten those beers directly from them via distribution? I don't know - I was asking.

Edit: I see he is responding to Brian's posts. Amusing - getting beer for his customers that didn't have a chance. Though that is admirable, one wonders just how many people he had buying the full allocation (I doubt he has only 6 BASS bottles), and I wonder how many people missed out because he was buying for eventual resale.

 

Breweries can self-distribute in this state, but that means that they sell the beer to the store for them to resell. But stores can't just buy beer like a normal customer and then resell it (don't ask me why but there it is). Generally speaking these stores get bottles like Bruery RS and BA Speedway by buying it as customers, which isn't legal. If they did have a relationship where they got bottles through the brewery's self-distribution then it would be fine, but it would be sort of surprising for that to actually happen with things like this. (If Alesmith wanted people to sell BA Speedway to random people for a large surcharge why wouldn't they do it themselves?)

It's really not the biggest problem in the world, but on the margin more people will be able to get these beers for themselves from the source than if these places didn't do this, and that's generally a good thing.

 

I get the impression that the ABC isn't very effective at enforcement. I grew up in Indiana, and was used to stores getting slammed with fines for turning labels the wrong direction.

I get the rarities thing, but I was under the impression that when Bottlecraft has bottles from the Bruery RS with a label that said "we are a member of the RS", then they probably were getting their stuff self-distribution.

 

Nope, they're just reselling the stuff they get from the RS. It's illegal but no one cares so everyone does it. If people are bothered by it and start reporting it, it'll stop really fast.

 

Couldn't an owner of a store show the bottles, through their page, and if someone wants to buy it sell it for a profit as an individual and not through the store? Just wondering if that's what some do to get away with this

 

Selling beer as an individual is also illegal.

 

Did I break the law by paying for the some of the last few releases on my credit card and then have others reimburse me?

 

You betcha. And this is where it gets a little blurry. A lot of the guys running bottle shops are also big beer fans, and are in it just as much for their interest as they are for the business aspect. If these guys are pretty much reselling just above cost, that probably isn't so bad (unless they are muling too much). If they are marking it way up, then there's not much to defend about that.

Somebody should stop by Del Mesa Liquor and see where they are pricing that stuff.

 

Do you just spend your life complaining about things?

 

If you actually read what I wrote I was never complaining, I'm not actually convinced this is all that bad. I said that it only matters on the margin, and there's an argument to make that these stores are serving a valuable economic purpose by playing middleman in an inefficient market.

But it really is illegal. It's interesting to me that pointing this out makes you call me an asshole, overreaction much?

Correct. But, like I said, no one cares. And I doubt even if someone ratted you out anyone would do anything (unless you were stupid enough to sell it to someone underage). Whereas the ABC might take actions against licensed retailers because that's sort of their job.

 

Let's say I am at the ballgame and I grab a few beers at the beer stand to take back to the seats. Once back at the seats, my buddy hands me $20 to pay me back. Is that reselling booze?

 

I think it's ambiguous. But like I said above, no one would ever charge you for it, though if for some reason someone at the DA's office hated you they probably could.

 

Because you didn't leave the premises, I think that may be different. Good question, though.

A better question might be you going down to the store and buying a 12 pack of Bud for a friend. Maybe by definition you are a proxy, and technically it isn't a resale. I dunno.