So now that Beer Trading threadshitting is back in full-effect ...

Then it would be like the old no post forums again where until it gets taken down, there's newbies thinking that they're newly released beer or off the shelf w/e brewery beer can get them world class retired stuff.

 

you wouldn't be allowed to trade old no crust on the new forum? how would the OP be breaking any rules? is there a "don't trade past its prime beer" rule in effect now?

 

That's not what I said. The mod could override the lock or post something.

 

so why are you allowed to lock in the first place...?

 

You post a legitimate thread and want no commentary?

Which I suspect is more common than people trading infected beer.

 

so much over complication. I think a lot of these solutions are trying to be too clever for their own good. It isn't difficult. hundreds of forums do this every day. They have forums and they have mods who use their discretion to keep forums in line. It works everywhere, why would it be any different here?

 

@RandomName7

but trying to trade beer that people don't want is a legitimate thread. i think you're not seeing the point of rules...

if it's okay to ask about the vintage of no crust, it's okay to ask about the vintage of old ruffian. why wouldn't the mod just be unlocking everybody's locked threads? is the lock just some sort of "light lock" until a reader cares enough to notify a mod?

self-lock is a hard to justify feature, other than closing down a thread (and even then, it will be used to pretend unbalanced trades got done soon enough)

 

i agree. you just need a good set of rules (which i think is what todd is asking for anyway; ie "what are we trying to moderate away from the forum?"). as long as you allow replies at all, i don't think any further functionality stuff (besides maybe posting privileges for contributing to the site) is necessary.

 

How about people just be adults and not be a bunch of nancies about peoples post?? it's the freaking interwebs people, don't see why you are so sensitive.

 

Since most of the only good suggestions on here require code hacking, and the def. of threadshitting is gonna be differrent for every person on this site, if you feel someone shits in your thread, report it, and let the mods do their job. The thinner skinned among us can even add, "Please no replies except to clarify this offer, or give info necessary to the entire community regarding this offer. All other replies will be reported by me immediately. Please make all offers of trade by convo." If they post this, and follow through, it will be much less hard for any mod, trader or non-trader, to make the call about threadshitting.

I personally feel all my offers are fair, and appreciate any and all bumps I get for whatever reason, wanna shit on me? go for it and thank you, so I hope we don't go back to post only. Let's let the mods do their job and be done with this discussion til they stop doing it to everyone's liking.

 

Well I reckon it would be important to have enough mods so that at least one is basically always online... In fact, it might be a good idea to have some one from Europe or Australia whose time zone would allow for moderating while us stateside are asleep.

 

Yes. You really don't want all your mods to be in the US. If BA is N times as active during US hours, have N times as many US mods, but there should still be some Aussies and Europeans (and whatever else). Even if we're talking 1 European, that's better than 0.

Also, Pahn, the stuff you're talking about is basically just what the Bros need to decide. It's clear that there aren't obvious answers here, but once you have a set of rules then you just follow them. I think that replies about beer being old or potentially dangerous, even the FT beer, should always be allowed. While people should generally be given leeway to do their trades even if they seem dubious, no one has a right to trade potentially bad beer to an unsuspecting person (if the other party is aware the bottle is dangerous then fine, but they need to know).

 

How about this for a solution...
-Be accountable for posts?
-Learn by watching / lurking before searching for those wales
-Ask in the appropriate forum if you have no idea of relative value
-Do not make the same FT posts over and over even when told it is not going to happen 100 different ways
-Do not keep covertly bumping trade threads with one or two bottle additions that you find
-Don't say stupid shit when you are drunk
-Don't start a controversial thread or one that is your opinion without expecting different opinions coming back.

If people did that, there would be less "threadshitting" and that would require no coding or big brother.

If you still want to post any of the above ( or more that Im sure can be added to the list ) deal with the "shitting" or differences of opinion.

If you cant ignore stupid comments on the internet, you probably should avoid it.

Blatant personal attacking is a lot easier to define and take care of than arguing a gray area of what might
slightly bother someone. Those can be dealt with and are few and far between.

 

how about auto deletion of any posts that start "not to threadshit, but......"

all of the above seems overly complicated. a simple solution would be to lock the ISO/FT forum and if anyone wants feedback, commentary, etc - just use the 'Beer Trading General/Help'. it would be quite easy for a new trader to run potential trades by, or for others to comments on a post that is asking for too much/too little. and it doesn't require any code hacking, etc.

 

FT: Angels share grand cru (that's probably infected but I'm not gonna admit it up front) ISO: equally rare beers

(immediate self-lock)

 

Just a thought.
When they created the SEC president roosevelt chose Joseph Kennedy, a notorious scam artist, to be the chairman. Its not completely analogou, and not saying you want someone who has been banned, but you probably don't want a choirboy either.

 

my vote is to go back to post only. craigslist model seems to have caught on for many years and after all, it is a trading section, we have the general help section to bicker and argue about value and what should or should not get done. trading has always been the same to me, i see someone who has something i like, i BM them. if i want to give advice, i BM them (well...mostly). i want to trade some beer, i make a post. who needs the peanut gallery? whenever i couldn't resist and jumped in on the peanut gallery, no good ever came of it. so why keep it around? 95% of the posts in replies are either pointless or just within the guidelines of trolling/thread$h*tting. if i post FT: Beat ISO: Rare, and someone posts "how many beats" that is just a nice way of trolling/thread$h*tting in my opinion. if the person meant to offer 3 or 4, they'd have written that...probably.

i definitely agree that if we go the route of mods there should be a few that span across geographic regions and "crews" and probably should need to come to an agreement on corrective action to prevent bullying or mods value controlling (insider trading anyone?).

the list of those in the mod forum should also be people who steer clear of controversy 100%. there are a few in the list offered who fit the bill and i would do anything to help out if they needed brew that i could get, but there are others in there that i don't have nice things to say about. some names in the list above get into altercations pretty regularly. sometimes over nothing at all, perhaps the love of a good debate?

in getting to know a lot of BAs i've also found that some of my favorite trading partners and posters have had bad experiences with others who i have had positive experiences with for one reason or another (whether via trade or even just a pissing contest in the forum). if you give those people power, surely they will be more lenient on their friends and tougher on their...well...not friends. lets not forget that this is a site about beer and activity seems to really spike during evening hours when most people are probably tossing a few back. sometimes your hysterical comment can be interpreted as hysterical, other times offensive or as thread$h*t. well all love jason and todd for creating this universe but most people who have been put on a timeout or received disciplinary action don't agree. i like it that it is up to jason and todd as this is their world and they write the rules, like it or not. i would be concerned if we gave that power to people who are not jason and todd, since they could come off just as arbitrarily. these are J&T's rules so they can interpret them how they see fit, but for others to interpret them? i dunno...seems a little orwellian (for lack of a better term) to me. who will police the police? will there be an appeals process...doubtful. so if i don't get along with a mod or for one reason or another they don't like what i have to post or what i'm looking for in a trade, then i'm screwed...even if i follow the rules as they are listed?

there is no doubt that there is some grey area in interpreting some of the rules. aside for one trade that i got done since the change-over, i'm pretty sure that all my trades got done by replying to other ISOs and reaching out behind the scenes to trading partners. i've got 100+ positive trade references, but that doesn't mean anything if one of the mods doesn't like me and i post the "how many beats are offered" reply.