Midnight Sun M

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  1. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    While that's a good idea I have found that they do not respond to emails. Maybe someone else will have better luck than I.
     
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  2. tylermains

    tylermains Initiate (0) Apr 6, 2010 Kentucky

    Boone stepped in this thread and helped out a bit. I did email both Midnight Sun and Anchorage. No response yet. They'll never brew it again, and I'm not trying to recreate it for commercial purposes. Would be nice to get some guidance!
     
  3. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    That's too bad, I guess I'm spoiled by only ever e-mailing Russian River and Cantillon, they're super responsive (although I've never asked about recipes).
     
  4. LostTraveler

    LostTraveler Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2011 Maine

    They may, Tod Mott has given out the recipe for KtG and that brewed every year.
     
  5. tylermains

    tylermains Initiate (0) Apr 6, 2010 Kentucky

    Cantillon's lambic recipe is listed on their site. Vinnie is more than happy to guide you in the right direction with homebrew attempts. I've had good luck at least.
     
  6. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Yeah I have heard Vinnie from RR is super responsive which is awesome! I emailed Goose Island once and John Hall responded to me which I greatly appreciated. Minimal luck for me with everybody else (probably about 4 other breweries).

    I will be visiting Cantillon in just over a month, I hope I get to meet Jean Van Roy but am not necessarily getting my hopes up. But I am really excited to see the brewery in person!
     
  7. JimmyTango

    JimmyTango Initiate (0) Aug 1, 2011 California

    I know Boone said there was no smoked malt, but I think it could be great in this given light hand.

    And, as to the 4 yeasts, possibly fermented in 4 batches (one yeat each) and blended? Seems like overkill, but I dont really know how else all 4 would actually come across in the final beer.
     
  8. tylermains

    tylermains Initiate (0) Apr 6, 2010 Kentucky

    I got a response back from Gabe. Gave me a few pointers that I'll post up here in a bit. 4 hour boil being one tip

    But this is concerning me:

    37 plato OG with no added sugars. This is roughly 34 lbs of grain
    My plan is to collect enough wort to wind up with 5 gallons total after the 4 hour boil

    Fermentation may be tricky. With an OG of 1.164 and a final ABV of 11.6%, we are looking at a FG of 1.074. That is a massive FG! How can I halt fermentation right at 1.074? Then how would I bottle condition after that without winding up with bottle bombs? I may be forced to force carb in a keg, but I'm still concerned about reaching 1.074 on the dot and not going below. Most yeast will crap out around there, but I'll be using Belgian high gravity in addition to Scottish ale.
     
  9. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    That's tough because that looks like horrible attenuation (55% apparent; 45% actual), not sure how that beer wouldn't be cloyingly sweet. I know there is something that you can add to kill the yeast but I have also read that it can leave off flavors in the beer. Would you still need all those grains even with a 4 hour boil? Remember, that 4 hour boil is going to really concentrate the wort (I boil off about 1.5 gallons an hour so for me that's 6 gallons worth of boil off). This seems really interesting and I am really looking towards the outcome of this beer. Worst case scenario you can do a sort of partial mash here where you add a bunch of extract for any grains that you cant fit in the tun. You could also do two separate mashes if you don't mind a really long brew day or have a buddy with another large mlt.
     
  10. tylermains

    tylermains Initiate (0) Apr 6, 2010 Kentucky

    I'm wondering if the 11.6% ABV is actually correct. Anyone have insight into that?
     
  11. scray24

    scray24 Initiate (0) Mar 12, 2008 Colorado

    I had the same question/concern. If 37 plato is accurate, either the ABV or the FG is out of whack. I recognize we don't have a FG (unless someone has a refractometer and a bottle they're planning on opening).

    That being said, I am interested in trying it. The blend of yeasts (IMO) is probably to achieve good attenuation and a more interesting flavor profile. There are yeasts that will attenuate well up into the 12-13% range (like 1056) but have a relatively clean profile and others that have more flavorful profiles but either worse attenuation and/or less alcohol tolerance.

    I was able to use 3711 on an english barleywine that stuck at about 1040 with the primary yeast (1728) and the 3711 (I presume) was able to get it down to 1029 (12.8%ABV, OG 1.123). It was aged on oak for a while (3m) and I used a third yeast to bottle and it carbonated (took a while) just fine (and hasn't gotten overcarbed in the past year since bottling).
     
  12. tylermains

    tylermains Initiate (0) Apr 6, 2010 Kentucky

    OldSock brought up a good point to me. If we assume the 11.6% ABV is correct, and OG is 1.164, then FG must be 1.074. OldSock mentioned Dark Lord having a final gravity of 1.064. So huge FG's aren't that odd I suppose.

    Does anyone know if M was bottle carbonated or force carbonated?
     
  13. nathanjohnson

    nathanjohnson Initiate (0) Aug 5, 2007 Vermont

    2011 Darklord clocks in at 1.055. Measured it last year.
     
  14. tylermains

    tylermains Initiate (0) Apr 6, 2010 Kentucky

    Good to know. I'm hearing reports of 1.055 and 1.064. Different vintages perhaps. If it is indeed 1.055, with an ABV of 15%, we're looking at a 1.168 OG.
     
  15. Patrick

    Patrick Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    That 1.064 number is from a few years ago, I think, as I have been seeing that number for a while now.
     
  16. MasterSki

    MasterSki Grand Pooh-Bah (4,848) Dec 25, 2006 Canada (ON)
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    I heard this tidbit when I was up there last year. All Midnight Sun beers with the descriptor Belgian are bottle conditioned, otherwise I believe they are force-carbonated. So M and Sloth were bottle conditioned, but Bar Fly and Arctic Devil were not.

    For what its worth, most of their "Belgian" beers have very mild estery and/or phenolic character. Barrel flavors are also quite delicate and understated, as they re-use barrels quite frequently (the low temperatures in Anchorage are good at inhibiting infection - although there have a been a few unintentionally wild beers like Rumbah, Bathtub Gin, and Cafe Amsterdam).
     
  17. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Bringing this one back from the dead, did anyone make this?

    Trouble hitting OG? Any tips? Did you pitch all yeast at once? Did you hit FG? How? Did it end there, or did you have to stop it somehow?

    We are planning to do this keeping in 1 lb. of smoked, and with assumption of a bit lower efficiency, so adding a bit add.al fermentables.

    Any recommendations, esp. from someone(s) who have tried this would be appreciated.
     
  18. TheBungyo

    TheBungyo Pooh-Bah (2,037) Dec 1, 2004 Washington
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    Honestly, I think you'd be better off emailing Gabe Fletcher at Anchorage Brewing since he was the brewmaster at Midnight Sun when they made M. He's a super cool guy so I wouldn't be too surprised if he didn't give some advice.

    Edit: no disrespect intended to Brewboone. I didn't see your posts when I posted this.
     
  19. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California


    Read up 9 posts. He got a respons from Gabe.
     
  20. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    I will try, won't be worse off if no reply.

    Meanwhile if anyone wants to give advice that is also appreciated, esp. from someone who has tried to make this recipe.
     
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