I need a porter hop to replace EKG

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  1. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    My roommate swiped the last of my EKG to brew an Irish red yesterday. I'm proud of him for fronting a brew day, but I was going to use the EKG for my porter. Any ideas for a good hop for a porter and Wyeast ESB? I've got lots of American hops: Amarillo, Citra, Centennial, Cascade, Nuggett, Saaz, Willamette and maybe a few I can't think of while I'm at work. The hop must play well with chocolate, as the yeast cake was pretty heavily dosed.

    (Thanks Fatc1ty!)

    9# Maris Otter
    1# 8oz Flaked Oats
    12oz C-80
    11oz Chocolate malt
    8oz Pale Chocolate malt
    6oz Black Patent malt
     
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  2. jae

    jae Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2010 Washington

    Willamette
     
  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yep. If you want to brew it to (BJCP) style, the Willamette is the best choice from your list. It's not an English hop, but it can pass for one.

    Edit: I initially misread your post and thought you were making the Irish Red. For a Porter, american C-Hops/Amarillo could also technically be 'to style.' (Though I would still go with the Willamette.)
     
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  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    As has already been discussed, if you want to brew an English style Porter than Willamette is the best choice. If you want to brew an American style Porter than C-hops (or other American aroma hops) is appropriate. For example, Deschutes Black Butte Porter uses both Cascade and Bravo (along with Tettnang).

    Cascade is also used in the brewing of Great Lakes Edmund Fitzgerald.

    Cheers!
     
  5. afrokaze

    afrokaze Pooh-Bah (1,962) Jun 12, 2009 Oregon
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    I really like northern brewer or Cluster for a good porter, a little woody and spicy with light citrus.
     
  6. Beejay

    Beejay Pooh-Bah (2,559) Dec 29, 2008 Virginia
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    I use Nugget in my porter.. Tasty.
     
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  7. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Maybe I'll please both crowds and use Nugget at 60 and a touch a Willamette at 10. Thanks for the feedback.
     
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  8. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Willamette is Fuggles in an American suit and would be an excellent choice.
    Styrian Goldings is also a variant of Fuggles.
     
  9. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    What do you mean by this?
     
  10. mnstorm99

    mnstorm99 Initiate (0) May 11, 2007 Minnesota

    American Fuggles, errr...Willamette.
     
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  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Just so people don't get the wrong idea... willamette is very similar to fuggle. And it did originate as a fuggle seedling. But any time you get a seedling, you get change. So it's not simply a fuggle hop grown in the U.S. (Though that is available too.)
     
  12. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    i don't brew anything to style (for good or bad). i just brew based on what i want the flavours to be.
    probably explains why i don't bother entering competition.
    i used to use this website but it looks like it's come down in the past 2 weeks. which really, really makes me sad. it provided nice summaries on flavour profiles and beer that used each hop.

    for the last porter i brewed, i used columbus to bitter, 0.2 oz for flavour and fuggles 1 oz at 5 min for flavour. i wanted earth and tobacco and leather, since i was using oak smoked wheat and thought it would be a good match. and it was.

    for my imperial porter, i wanted more fruit essence to it. magnum to bitter, hallertau and sazz for flavour/aroma. this beer is slightly sweet and around 10% abv, so fruit made sense to me.

    looking at what you're brewing and it having a bitter malt like choco in there, i'd probably keep the hops as clean as possible.

    willamette is quite alright. has some of that floral/fruit. i'd personally suggest magnum for a clean bittering and, after that, you deciding if you want the dirt/earthy hop profile or a fruity or floral profile...or no profile at all.
     
  13. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Nugget would work fine. Willamette is fine.

    I think I use Northern Brewer and Willamette in the recipe I have there.

    I've used Nugget for the bittering, and willamette for the flavor/later addition.
     
  14. mnstorm99

    mnstorm99 Initiate (0) May 11, 2007 Minnesota

    Just to add to that, a seed can create vast differneces. My understanding is a hop grower can plant 100 seeds and you could get 100 different results. This is why we buy rhizomes.
     
  15. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Fuggles and Willamette, I used both in English type beers and really enjoyed them both.
     
  16. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Willamette. For whatever reasons you wish to justify using this hop with. But still willamette anyway. It's the answer. Problem, solution.
     
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  17. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Willamette, Celia, and/or American/British Fuggles : )
     
  18. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Well, fuggles or willamette. Fuggles doesn't get enough love, but it's an excellent hop. Or you could get radical and use both. :grimacing:
     
  19. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    The coffee has not kicked in yet...

    Willamette was developed by Dr. Al Haunold of Oregon State. It is a triploid hybrid of a normal 2 chromosome Fuggles with one that was forced to be a tetraploid. Triploids are more robust, have higher yields, and are sterile. So it is all Fuggles DNA, but is more robust, and has American attributes from the soil and climate. That terroir thing.
     
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