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Bad News...

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by joromiller, Nov 15, 2013.

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  1. stevec32

    stevec32 Pundit (772) Mar 26, 2012 New York
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    If it were me and the other trader told me to drink whats left of the beer and he would send the box back. I would drink the beer and ask him to keep the extras and whatever bottle was mine in the trade and just send back the beers that belonged to my friends.
     
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  2. shadowane

    shadowane Zealot (607) Sep 7, 2007 Pennsylvania

    Yeah pretty much. I'd also figure out how he packed his bottle so I could never pack it like that. And then tell him to pack better when he's sending valuable things.

    edit: Unless it's Cantillon which apparently leaks like crazy no matter what you do.
     
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  3. JohnPPutz

    JohnPPutz Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2011 Illinois

    You're assuming the bottle was poorly packed, there was no mention of that at all.
     
  4. stevec32

    stevec32 Pundit (772) Mar 26, 2012 New York
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    Also to everyone saying that because the OP drank what remained of the beer the deal is done, let me ask you this....

    If the other trader started a thread saying "bad news, I shipped a whale that I cant replace to a trading partner and in transit it leaked and lost about 1/4 to 1/3 of its liquid. What should I do?"

    Would you respond "Tell him to drink whats left then keep the beer he sent you because its a done deal"?

    Its a crappy situation for both parties but I know that no matter what side I was on of it I wouldnt want the other guy to get totally screwed.
     
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  5. raymo55

    raymo55 Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2011 Michigan

    There is no mention of alot of things.

    That along with the OP dooming the bottle makes this whole thing sketchy.

    If the trader told you to jump off a cliff...would you do that right away with no question as well?
     
  6. shadowane

    shadowane Zealot (607) Sep 7, 2007 Pennsylvania

    Fair enough. I guess it could have leaked on its own due to poor capping or something. Without more information, I would just assume it was the packaging.
     
  7. JohnPPutz

    JohnPPutz Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2011 Illinois

    I've had a waxed bottle sent to me in a styro shipper, with the bottle wrapped in bubble wrap that leaked.Not sure how that happened, weird shit happens sometimes.
     
  8. joromiller

    joromiller Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2013 Michigan
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    This is my dilemma. I essentially got the short end of the deal, but I don't want the other person to get screwed too. I didn't post this hoping ppl would say, "JR was screwed. Get your beers back, man." I posted this b/c I've never had to deal with a situation like this.

    The bottle was waxed. It was packed well. I cannot speak to exactly why it leaked. The wax looked cracked...maybe by the cold? Where does the burden of responsibility for a beer trade end?

    Herein lies the ultimate question for me.
     
  9. cradke

    cradke Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2009 Texas

    I think your consumption of the beer means this trade has completed. I think you really should have had a plan in place before you ever tampered or consumed the bottle and it's your fault for not doing that. If the package did develop a leak in transit, it's a reasonable assumption to make that it didn't begin to leak on your porch and probably was opened at least a day or 2 before it arrived. Based on that, it would also be safe to assume it wouldn't deteriorate much more than it already has and your haste to consume the beer was unnecessary.

    To play devils advocate, though not accusing you of this... a crook could have altered the beer when it safely landed to make it look like it was the senders fault. To make sure that's not the case, the sender could ask for the bottle back shipped in it's original container as is. You have precluded this possibility from happening.

    Because you consumed the beer, I think that this trade is now in the 'keepsies' zone. Though it certainly would be reasonable to work out a deal with the sender to send something your way, though frankly, if he doesn't send you anything, I could not fault him.
     
  10. JMagee

    JMagee Initiate (0) Jan 2, 2013 New York

    I know things change when really elusive one-offs are involved, and I will admit that my Whale game is not strong.

    But...

    You all seem like very communicative upstanding beer traders who have kept each other abreast of what's been going on, and you all seem genuinely concerned about coming to a reasonable solution.

    Just let him keep the box. I'm sure he'll take care of you at some point in the future.
     
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  11. stevec32

    stevec32 Pundit (772) Mar 26, 2012 New York
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    Is everyone missing that the other trader TOLD him to drink the beer or do they just not care?
     
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  12. cradke

    cradke Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2009 Texas

    I am saying that regardless what the sender says, it's the receivers job not to touch it until a mutual agreement is set.
     
  13. ShanePB

    ShanePB Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2010 Pennsylvania

    There are two sides to every story... I'm not calling anyone a liar, but it would be nice to hear what transpired from the other end.
     
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  14. stevec32

    stevec32 Pundit (772) Mar 26, 2012 New York
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    the agreement was that he could drink it and the other trader would send back his box. Now the OP feels bad that the other trader is taking the whole hit and wants to come up with a way so that the other trader gets something out of the deal and they share the loss.
     
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  15. lookrider

    lookrider Savant (1,152) Apr 22, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Why not have the guy who's sending the box back keep the box instead. I think everyone should keep the boxes they got in the trade and the sender who sent the bottle that leaked makes that up to the recipient in a mutually agreeable manner.
     
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  16. joromiller

    joromiller Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2013 Michigan
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    This.

    My guess is that some folks are only reading the initial post or not fully reading the initial post or not reading my replies @stevec32 .

    I sent 6 pictures to the guy via text prior to opening the bottle. He told me consume the beer and that he'd send my box back. Simply put, I don't want a good BAer to get screwed out of his bottle of beer and the beers he was trading for. I want to treat him the way I'd want to be treated.

    Again, I didn't post this looking for anything other than people who may have experienced a similar situation in the past and how they resolved it.

    Thanks all!
     
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  17. phishphorce

    phishphorce Pundit (999) Aug 4, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    What does the other person want? That is and important question in this whole thing? Are they happy being out of a "whale" and getting nothing in return for a properly packed bottle that leaked?

    Also what was the correspondance? When you sent him pictured did he straight up say "Drink it and I'll send your stuff back"? or was it more ambigous than that?

    More info would be necessary for a proper diagnosis of a resolution. Just my opinion.
     
  18. whiskey

    whiskey Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2012 California

    I have to agree. If he's been a regular trading partner and he's always done your right, let him keep it and he can make it up to the OP later. Chances are he would make it up and then some.
     
  19. amnesia85

    amnesia85 Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2012 Connecticut
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    This thread is hilarious. More than 2/3 of these posts did not read anything in the OPs original post and subsequent posts. Lolz.

    OP this situation is really between you and you TPs, the fact you started this thread in the first place is kinda weird but I digress... (No offense, I'm not trying to be a douche) ive had the situation happen to me, the trader offered to replace the actively leaking bottle that I planned to drink at a later time with family. I told him not to never mind about it as it seemed a little over the top and it was packaged fine ie out of his control. I drank the bottle, it tasted bad, I chaulked it up with the rest of the mishaps I have had since joining in 2012. The fact that the trader offered to replace the bottle or send mine back was good enough for me. I told him the bottle was fine and haven't heard from him since.

    Did I make a new friend / trading partner out of it? No. Was the beer ruined? Yes. Was it his fault? No. It's really up to u to decide. And nobody else.
     
  20. MacJenkins

    MacJenkins Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2012 Michigan

    I'm with @amnesia85 on being confused on the exact reason for this post. OP states he wants to treat the trade partner how he would want to be treated, which is admirable, but do you really need the advice or approval of the BA community to figure out what that is? Just put yourself in his situation, decide what resolution would make you happy and do it. This thread seems more like an attempt to convince us you're a good guy than actually seeking input.
     
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