Imperial Brown Ale: Suggestions Appreciated

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  1. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Brewing an Imperial Brown Ale soon.
    Looking for lots of bready, toasty, and nutty notes.
    Wanting to keep the roast to a minimum.

    Put a lot of thought into this one and came up with the following....

    English Malts
    48.5% Maris Otter
    32.5% Pearl
    6.5% C60
    6.5% Pale Chocolate Malt

    Non-English Malts
    3% Honey Malt
    3% Victory

    Mash @ 150F
    WLP005 British Ale Yeast (ferment @ 68F)

    1.078 OG
    1.018 FG
    8% abv
    40 ibu's (admiral, willamette, and fuggles)
    24 srm
     
  2. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    I personally like some brown malt (along with Victory) in my brown ales for good toast. My standard brown is definitely situated on this side of the pond, though.
     
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  3. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    If you want nutty...nix the C-60, Victory, and Honey malt and replace with GNOs (IMHO)
    Looks tasty as is
     
  4. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    I'm a fan of pale chocolate malt, but I find that 8 oz in a 5 gallon batch gives more chocolatey flavor than toasty or nutty. If you really want toasty/nutty and not chocolatey, you might consider bringing this down.
     
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  5. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    It's funny you mentioned that. I just was thinking to myself that I've created more of an Imperial Northern English Nut Brown Ale, so the color should be a little lighter (20 - 22 srm) and the flavor less roasty. Easiest way to accomplish that is to drop the pale chocolate malt down to 5% and increase either the c60, base malt, or victory up a bit in its place.
     
  6. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    After I posted, I was trying to think more about what an Imperial Brown Ale with emphasis on toastiness and nuttiness (as opposed to chocolate) might mean. What I was coming up with was English barleywine. Not sure if that's quite accurate as I have less experience with the bigger beers.
     
  7. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Nah, definitely not going for an English Barleywine. I'd characterize one of those more by loads of caramel, higher ibu's, and by being noticeably boozey. Originally I set out to make an Imperial American Style Brown but drifted more towards a "Central English" (between Northern English and Southern English!) style.
     
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  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Just something to consider. Most homebrewers concentrate on malts when they want to brew a beer that is malt forward. Yeast selection can play a very important role on how malty a beer tastes (perhaps just as important as malt selection).

    Perhaps using S-04 would be a wise choice for this beer since many BAs report that it produces a bready flavor. There may be other yeast strains which will accentuate the characteristics of “bready, toasty, and nutty notes” but only S-04 is coming to mind at the moment.

    Cheers!
     
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  9. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
    Pooh-Bah

    I'd be all over that idea, but if you've used GNO before, it is slightly nutty, but it also tosses a pretty obvious berry note to the beer, and in a brown.. meh.
     
  10. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Up the victory if you want the nutty and bready notes, IMO. Knock the chocolate back, maybe even some munich added.
     
  11. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Have used GNOs extensively in Browns, etc and never gotten "berry notes"...even though I've seen them described as such...could be their appearance...they kind of look like berries.
     
  12. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    To each his own I guess. I like to use it in saisons and some pales myself. Adds some body like crystal without the overly sweet taste of a straight up crystal malt. I enjoy the berry note it tosses in those styles.
     
  13. kneary13

    kneary13 Initiate (0) Jan 30, 2010 Massachusetts

    +1 on adding brown malt to that, as well as your inclusion of the pale chocolate.
    i'd personally nix the honey malt for c-80.... but that's b/c i think honey malt, even at 3% is just too sweet, and the c-80 will round out the beer a little bit with some bittersweet goodness.
     
  14. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Lots of good suggestions so far thanks! I'll contemplate them all. For the sake of conversation, I'll outline my immediate reaction to these suggestions....

    1. I'm worried the brown malt might add too much of a roasty edge in combination with the pale chocolate

    2. I have no idea what GNO's are

    3. I do believe I'll bring the pale chocolate malt down to the 3-5% range (tbd)

    4. I'm afraid SO4 won't attenuate well enough to get a 1.078 OG beer down to the type of FG I want

    5. I just realized what GNO's are.... Golden Naked Oats. Nope never used them and not sure I'm looking for a "creamy" mouthfeel on this beer. I have flaked oats on hand and have toasted them myself before. If I decide I want to add oats to this recipe, I'll take that route.

    6. I want the caramel from c60 and want to avoid any lightly raisiny quality that c80 may provide. I don't want any fruitiness to this beer whatsoever. I want it to be more like an Imperial Nut Brown with a little bit of added sweetness (from the honey malt and the c60)

    7. I probably will be upping the victory in lieu of the pale chocolate malt reduction.

    Potential version 1.2

    48% Maris Otter
    32% Pearl
    6.5% c60
    6.5% victory
    4% pale chocolate
    3% honey malt
     
  15. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I think that the WLP007 would be a better choice. WLP005 is very fruity and needs care through fermentation to get the job done with a 1.05 O.G. let alone an imperial anything. Good luck.
     
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