Bayernbiere Bought and Drunk

Discussion in 'Germany' started by boddhitree, Dec 15, 2012.

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  1. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Tony, I took note of: “Well, the sweetness didn't come through as much as I hoped …”

    Below is a description of Lactose from a homebrew vendor:

    “Lactose Non-fermentable milk sugar that adds body and mouthfeel to beer. Great for porters and stouts.”

    I personally have never homebrewed with lactose but it was always my understanding (as per the above) that it would not contribute a lot of sweetness to the beer.

    I wish I had a good suggestion on how to ‘bump up’ the sweetness of your beer but in my homebrewing I have never tried to make a beer with a ‘bumped up’ sweetness.

    Maybe somebody else could help you out here. Maybe start a thread on the homebrew forum?

    Cheers!

    Jack
     
  2. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    Without having tried the beer, I have found that most spiced beers are a delicate balance. It's important that your keep track of your sensoric evaluations and ask someone else critical about their thoughts and impressions.

    As far as sweetness goes, you are best advised to use caramalts or mash a bit higher to leave some unfermentables and add mouthfeel rather than highly fermentable sugars. Or switch to the 05 yeast which also does not attenuate quite as low as english yeasts. Be aware that these steps will mean that you will probably want to finish around 1.010.
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “As far as sweetness goes, you are best advised to use caramalts or mash a bit higher to leave some unfermentables and add mouthfeel rather than highly fermentable sugars.” Lactose is an unfermentable sugar: it provides mouthfeel and I would guess a bit a sweetness but not a lot of sweetness.

    “Or switch to the 05 yeast which also does not attenuate quite as low as english yeasts.” I utilize US-05 a lot for my homebrews. My consistent experience is that this yeast is highly attenuating. For example, for my IPAs US-05 has an Apparent Attenuation > 80%.

    Cheers!
     
  4. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    The easiest fix is adding caramalts which I would expect in the grain bill of a "Lebkuchen Ale" as well as a "Nutella Bier", both which highly intrigue me.

    Tony, how high is the ABV? Maybe cellar for 2 months and the spices may mellow/meld. Otherwise, what do the Germans say about your "Biere vom Teufel gebraut"?
     
  5. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    In der Kürze liegt die Würze?
     
  6. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    Yikes. And zoinks. Never heard that in the context of beer brewing.
     
  7. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    Are you implying it would work better in the context of Schnaps? :wink:
     
  8. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    The double entendre is a classical late-night-German knee slapper. :grinning:
     
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  9. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2005 Germany
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    LOL
     
  10. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2005 Germany
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    I know where he lives :grinning:
     
  11. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2005 Germany
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    Can't talk about the Lebkuchen one but the Nutella one actually turned out really well. Nothing to drink by the mass on a hot summer night of course but that was never the intention.
     
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  12. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    I added the milk-sugars as way to add a milk-stout like sweetness, which is in the present beer, just it's overpowered by the spiciness of the cardamom and allspice. I was thinking of a way to neutralize it, but at around 7% ABV, I'd already planned on lagering in my cellar until the 1st few weeks of December, but... live and learn.

    Stahlsturm... if you're driving by FFM, stop by and I'll give you a few bottles. And thanks for the shout out on the Nutella beer. I plan on re-making it this year, and it should be even better, for I picked up cocoa nibs while I was in NYC, and I have found hazelnut extract online here in Germany, so this year's version should be even better.
     
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  13. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    Tony - could you post or message me your Nutella recipe?
     
  14. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    Sorry, I somehow posted the same post twice, so this one is just a space filler. :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  15. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    Sure, I'll post it here. First, I started with a Beamish Milk Stout recipe as the base and changed stuff, then adjusted it to my specs.
    This is for 18.9L, or 5 gal, and I converted it to imperial measurements. I usually make around 40L, or about 10 gal.
    Specs: OG= 1.052, FG= 1.017, ABV= 5.7%, IBUs= 24.6, Single infusion mash.

    Mash:
    Roasted Barley: 5 oz.
    Carafa Spezial II (Weyermann): 5 oz.
    Black Patent: 7 0z.
    Pale Chocolate: 14 0z.
    Malted Oats, Roasted: 8.5 oz.

    Boil:
    Challenger: ½ oz. @ 60 min.s
    EKG: ½ oz. @ 60 min.s
    Challenger: ⅓ oz. @ 15 min.s
    Milk sugar (Lactose): 8 oz. @ 10 min.s
    Treacle Black Treacle: 1 can @ 10 min.s
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    Light DME: 4.5 lbs
    Cocoa Powder (non-sweetened): 2 oz.+ @ 30 min.s
    Pureed whole Vanilla Beans: 4+ @ 60 min.s
    Pureed Hazelnuts: 7 to 10 oz @ 60 min.s
    (I've read here that the oil from the nuts will ruin head retention, but if you boil it long enough, you 'll also boil off most of the oil and won't have any problems with head retention.) Below is proof.
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    Belgian Abbey II yeast (Wyeast 1762)

    After fermentation is done (dry spicing?):
    Vanilla Extract: as much as you dare.
    Cocoa nibs from extract (soak in vodka for 3+ weeks), add in only vodka.
    Hazelnut extract (soak in vodka for 3+ weeks), add in only vodka.

    Bottle/Keg immediately, but lager for minimum 1 month to get the vodka taste to smooth out.
     
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  16. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    Couple of comments/questions...

    1) You are using vanilla, cocoa and hazelnut adjuncts in both cooking process and dry spicing - has this proved beneficial in any manner? 2) Despite using molasses you still finished at 1.017, which I consider pretty high. Was this super sweet? Were there molasses flavors in final beer? 3) Was there noticeable hop character? If not, why not a simple 60 min addition? 4) Do you think that a specialty malt could get the hazelnut character instead of using hazelnuts?
     
  17. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    FYI - when first thinking about how I would go about this, I assumed that the base recipe could be close to Rogue Hazelnut Brown Ale (rather than your Beamish Stout) and did a quick search on a clone recipe. Most suggest using "hazelnut extract" which is apparently readily available here in the States.
     
  18. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Maven (1,363) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    Schlappe-Seppel "Unser Seppel'sche":
    Two 330 ml bottles poured into a footed pilsner glass. Best By of December 4th/6th (both numbers punched out), 2013. I'm not going to give this a full on effort, to be honest, just a thumbnail sketch.

    I thought this was going to be a golden Export Hell, but the beer is a clear orange with a nice, fluffy white head that dissipates quickly. Carbonation streams early but dies out. First sip is pleasant - apple notes, malty, pretty nice. Subsequent sips, however, brings out a thin body and not super great tasting beer. Would not seek out again.

    Not pictured.

    2.75/5.00
     
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  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Maybe you should have stated: Not worth taking a picture.:wink:

    Prost!
     
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  20. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Maven (1,363) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    Yeah, well, kinda....
     
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