recipe critique - American Red IPA

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  1. macandrewsRIP

    macandrewsRIP Crusader (411) Oct 28, 2007 Massachusetts

    thought i'd throw this out there and let folks chime in. My thoughts for an American Red IPA, kind of a cross between SN Flipside and CBC Red God. Perhaps some Lagunitas Lucky 13, I don't know I'll see how it comes out, so for a 6.5 gallon recipe (in a 6.5/7 gallon glass carboy)

    10 lbs M&F pale
    5 lbs Briess 2 row pale
    1 lb Honey malt
    1 lb C-60
    1 lb Carastan
    1/2 cup chocolate malt
    1 oz Citra (60 min)
    1 oz Simcoe (10 min)
    1 oz Citra (5 min)
    1 oz Citra (0 min)
    dry hop 1 oz each Citra & Simcoe
    White Labs British 5

    Any thoughts?
     
  2. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    I'm not sure you really need the C-60...but that's a personal preference.

    Hope schedule looks good, but I've never used Citra for bittering...personally would use Simcoe for that.

    Why did you choose the British strain?
     
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  3. macandrewsRIP

    macandrewsRIP Crusader (411) Oct 28, 2007 Massachusetts

    personal preference, I like the SN but find it a bit too attenuative for my tastes. The 05 was a nice balance between residual sugars and low esters. You think I should perhaps cut the crystal back?
     
  4. Travisurfin247

    Travisurfin247 Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2010 South Carolina

    Did you mean 1/2 cup or 1/2 lb of chocolate malt? Either way, chocolate malt will probably get you more of a Brown IPA instead of your desired red color. I would replace all your chocolate malt with 2 oz of roasted barley to get a better red color.

    I also agree with JohnSnow's post above about your yeast strain selection, if you are wanting an American IPA. With the WLP005 British, 2 lbs of crystal malt (C-60 and carastan), and 1 lb honey malt, the finished beer will probably be relatively sweet. Personally, I would cut back a little on both the C-60 and carastan, and select a yeast with more attenuation such as the Chico strain, or even WLP007 if you want to keep English flavor. But that's just my opinion--I like IPAs that are more hop-forward with a cleaner malt and yeast presence. When I make red or black IPAs, I try to select malts with the biggest color impact in order to minimize the flavor of extra maltiness.
     
  5. macandrewsRIP

    macandrewsRIP Crusader (411) Oct 28, 2007 Massachusetts

    1/2 cup chocolate, not half a pound. But don't you think the roast barley will sway more towards a 'roasted' taste as opposed to the smoother chocolate? Or do you think its so small as to not make much difference in taste but more in color? So for specialty malts how about: 1/2 lb c-60 , 1/2 carastan and 1 lb honey malt? I read in some older BerAdvocate mags from brewers that 'honey malts help bring out the tropical notes of the American hops' so thats my reasoning
     
  6. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    Cut that honey malt or this beer will come out weird (4 oz is more than enough), or if you want a deeper malt flavor without the weird sweetness swap it out for melanoiden malt.
     
  7. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Yeah...it's just too much crystal for my taste. I'm a big fan of honey malt, but I'd probably put close to 1/2 lb, even after cutting the two crystals in half. But like I said, that's a personal choice on your behalf.

    If you were waiting a little longer I have a Rye IPA that I'm fermenting with Wyeast 1450...that's supposed to give a similar profile to what you're shooting for. That said, I brewed an ESB with WLP002, using Simcoe and Citra, that emphasized the malt well, but also has a nice hop character...though I would call it more citrusy than tropical...but I didn't dry hop.
     
  8. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Bitter with a high alpha hop and throw the citra into your dryhop, IMHO.
     
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  9. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Nix the chocolate, swap in some roasted malt instead, swap the citra from 60 to flameout, and bitter mith magnum. I used chinook citra and amarillo in a red that I'm having mixed feelings about. I think I am burned out on these hop varieties though more than anything.
     
  10. mjryan

    mjryan Pooh-Bah (1,571) Dec 22, 2007 Minnesota
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    Chocolate malt is roasted malt, or at least a roasted malt. Did you mean roasted barley? Roasted barley isn't malt.
     
  11. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    Well you are getting alot of different oppinions so here is mine. WLP 005 is an excellent yeast for ESB's but I would not use this in a American Red. WLP 001,007,or 029 would be my yeast's of choice. I would not use the 60L,Caristan,or the honey malt. I would use 1lb 80L crystal because in my oppinion it does belong in your beer style. Cluster would be a good bittering hop for you. (And cheap) Depending on your effeciency you will have a strong hoppy beer. Good luck.
     
  12. Travisurfin247

    Travisurfin247 Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2010 South Carolina

    2 oz of roasted barley should not introduce any roasted flavor to the finished beer, especially with IPA-level hopping. It will give a shot of deep, ruby red to push the color past the golden-orange-ish spectrum resulting from the crystal and honey malts.
     
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