Fusel alcohol or just a bit green?

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  1. DAllspaw

    DAllspaw Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2009 Indiana

    I botteld my first Double IPA yesterday, a Lawson's Double Sunshine AG clone posted here from a recent BYO issue. Though it tasted very nice (hops, malt, mouthfeel were as expected), it has a definite hot finish. Is this typical of a high gravity beer and just requires more conditioning? My prior batches have not exceeded 6.5%.

    I probably won't even try for 3-4 weeks, as I expect this will require more conditioning. I'm just trying to get a feel for the final outcome based on those who have brewed higher OG beers. I was very pleased with the mash, boil and fermenation, but now I am a bit concerned that the heat won't diminish or round out as much as I'd like.

    Fermentation Info
    OG 1.071
    FG 1.008
    Est ABV 8.3%
    3 weeks primary / 1 week secondary
    Yeast starter was 2 Wyeast 1056 smack packs in 1.5L Starter
    Fermentation was very active for 3 days, reached 1.010 by the 5th day (or sooner, that's just when I checked)
    Temp - consistently at 66, except for early exothermic rise to 70, which was brought back to 66 fairly quickly. For those critical first days of fermenation, it was consistently at the recommended mid-point temp, so I don't think I am getting fusels, but am admittedely a bit ignorant.

    Thanks in advance for the wisdom, sarchasm, criticism and any ensuing side-arguments this spawns.
     
  2. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    If you were controlling temps using ambient temperature, it could very well be fusels. That said, it could also be green flavors...but I must admit that I have not had fusel flavors in my green beer.

    For instance, the Rye IPA I made was OG 1.074, and after 3 weeks, and 1 day in the keg...no fusels...or even a young/green taste.
     
  3. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    Dallspaw you are entering a world of pain. A world of pain. (In the parlance of our times.)

    IMO a 1.071 beer isn't "big" enough to require extra conditioning time for that reason alone. But one thing that can happen is that strongly dry hopped beers can taste a little harsh at first and can benefit from a couple weeks of conditioning. Maybe that's what's going on here? Generally speaking, I think IPAs hit their peak after about 2-3 weeks of conditioning. I would continue to test samples every couple days. A tough job but someone has to do it.
     
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  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    As has been discussed, the bottle conditioning process will likely permit flavors to ‘meld’. I tasted an IPA last night that I bottled two weeks ago and the beer still needs more conditioning time. I will try another bottle a week from now.

    Cheers!
     
  5. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    If you are sure your ambient never went higher than 66, I would not expect fusels. I keep my freezers at 64 and have never once gotten anything even vaguely resembling fusels (but then perhaps it's possible, just that I haven't happened to get them, who knows).

    Since this post really doesn't tell you anything, I can only offer additional uselessness in the form of criticism: you mis-spelled sarcasm. :rolling_eyes:
     
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  6. DAllspaw

    DAllspaw Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2009 Indiana

    Many
    Hah.... Thanks for advice guys, and I would be disappointed if you failed to call me out on the the mis-spelling, which was a mistake, a bit ironic too.
     
  7. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    What makes you so sure that your 66F beer only went up to 70F during the height of fermentation?
     
  8. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    As a fellow non-White Walter enthusiast, I say to forget about it for a couple of weeks. Temps could have just gotten away from you and you didn't notice. You'll be able to tell better once it's carbonated. I know my hoppy beers are pretty harsh at bottling.

    Mark it zero...
     
  9. roadhouse

    roadhouse Initiate (0) Nov 4, 2007 Florida

    If it was 66 ambient temp it could have easily risen 6-10 degrees in the fermenter. I'd still bet it more on green flavors though. Time will tell.
     
  10. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Another thought.... Sometimes a very hoppy beer that is sampled when young might still have lots of hop particulates in suspension, which can give the sample a "rough" taste quality that some might describe as a bit astringent or slightly solvent like. Since this is your first DIPA, perhaps you just aren't used to tasting a young sample with this much hops in it or had a lot of hop particulates carry over into the bottle. If the latter, after you carbonated the bottles adequately and then move them into the refrigerator the cold temperatures and gravity will help settle the particulates to the bottom of the bottles. When you pour them into glasses for consumption, make sure to leave the settled particulates in the bottom of the bottles for a better tasting beverage.
     
  11. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    If the heat is not off-putting, count yourself lucky. For me, fusels conjure up memories and instantaneous headaches followed by a full day of limited productivity due to a depressive self-loathing funk. I had a berry mead with fusels that I kept around for several years. I would try a bottle about every 4 months to see if the bad juju faded. It never did. Those bottles would laugh at me whenever I went down to my beer cellar, taunting my weak, pathetic soul. After nearly 4 years, I summoned up the courage to drainpour every last one of those sons of bitches.
     
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  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “ …drainpour every last one of those sons of bitches.” You taught that berry mead a thing or two (or three).:wink:

    You da man!

    Cheers!
     
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