Boneyard will NOT be canning

I hope they replace at least one of the RPM bottles I ordered with Hop Venom!

 

So....will Tin Bucket bottle?

 

They've got swing-top 32oz bottles there they will counter-fill, if my memory serves me correctly.

 

I think Tin Bucket will fill more-or-less any container you bring in.

 

Imperial on Division will fill and cap anything on their taplist..



they use those blichman beer guns and cap the 16oz



Bottles cost $1.00

 

This is not approved by ttb, or ok'ed by Boneyard.

 

I meant "If they got..." in the future hypothetical sense.

 

But I'm assuming it doesn't need to be? Shouldn't be any different than filling growlers I would guess.

 

I assume the TTB only approves bottle labeling. These are "growlers." I wonder if growlers or bottles are well defined. I think probably not.

I suppose another silver lining here other than having Boneyard "growlers" delivered to your house is that it might put a little pressure on breweries to start bottling or canning sooner than they otherwise would.

 

Or it could do the opposite. If people that want cans / bottles are being satisfied by these third parties, the demand for first party bottling / canning would diminish, right?

More likely, it will have no effect ... at least not for a VERY long time. The scale of these businesses that are essentially "bottling" in growlers is small. They reach very few consumers. Boneyard is supply / production constrained, not demand constrained. Breweries, if I understand the business correctly, choose to bottle / can when they are demand constrained - expanding distribution via canning / bottling expands your footprint, opening up more demand. As long as BY can't satisfy the demand for kegs - and these bottlers are just more demand for kegs - I wouldn't expect them to invest capital into equipment that will generate lower margin business.

 

Actually, it's very well defined, except for the fact that they specify "brewer" in the text.

The basics:

The difference between "large glass" and "bottle."

It's a bit of a gray area due to their specific use of brewer, but if you substitute "brewer" for "retailer" then these pre-filled 22oz containers would definitely fall under their definition of "bottle", and thus should require label approval.

It's an interesting idea, but I wouldn't want to stake my liquor license on it without doing a shit load of due diligence to make sure it was 100% legal. I also wouldn't do it without getting consent from the breweries first.

 

Actually, they are probably filled after sending in an order. Even more grey area, but it could easily fall under growler delivery.

 

Now that I re-read their terms, you may be right. It's still a gray area, but collecting orders and then filling them all at the end of the month may constitute "filling after sale" and be considered a "large glass" rather than a "bottle."

I would still want to get permission from the breweries...

 

You are probably right about no effect with respect to canning/bottling sooner. However the third parties won't be able to compete with the actual brewery on price so unless the beer remains hard to get once bottling starts by the breweries the third party would stop.

 

Thanks for the schooling above. I think that even though these look like bottles they would be considered growlers according to the above assuming third parties follow these guidelines.

I fail to see how this is not a good thing. Also, why bother getting permission from the brewery? If a brewery can somehow shut them down then I get that. I've noticed a lot of people here taking the position of the brewery but not a lot taking the position of the consumer.

 

True. I know what Tavour hopes to do is bottle some of the harder to get stuff - the more limited rather than the well known - at least in part. Also the newer breweries, as they did with Hi-Fi. I talked to the guys and specifically mentioned that I'd be interested in sours from Snipes, some of the odd stuff that Engine 9 does, and some of the tap room only beers by Silver City, Sound Brewing, etc. They seemed very open to suggestion and said that they had actually talked to E9 and Snipes. What I HOPE they do is enable breweries to be more experimental since they will have a bigger catchment area than what the taproom alone offers. The Tavour gents seem very open to suggestion.

Their problem at inception was actually too much demand. Seems like they've found a nice niche. Interested to see where it goes. Appears to be a nice outgrowth of the growler industry ... and one that may make small craft brewing more tenable.

 

Are they selling it quickly while its still fresh? Are they selling it for a price I consider fair? Are they using the correct volume of CO2 when bottling so that my beer is presented properly?

These are just a few of the concerns I would have if it were my beer. I obviously can't speak for the guys at Boneyard, but putting myself in their shoes I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with this.

 

I wouldn't be buying it if they weren't.

I can totally see this from their perspective. From my perspective if they can't make Boneyard taste awesome, they won't last long.

 

Do bars have to get permission since all these concerns are valid for them as well? Or are you suggesting a double standard for bars versus growler "bottlers"?