Can a homebrew recipe kit expire?

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  1. Macurr4

    Macurr4 Initiate (0) Jan 1, 2014 Kentucky

    I am brand new at home brew, do not even have any materials yet but that is in my very near future. I have been reading these forums for a little while now and ordered the "How to Brew" book and impatiently waiting for it to come in so I can start educating myself.

    But anyway, my question, I found the exact brew kit from northern brewer, brand new, on craigslist for about a $50 discount. But it is about a year old, which means the recipe kit would be about a year old, would this mean it would be bad? Which would make this deal not so great. Thanks for any help.
     
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  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    The Liquid Malt Extract and the Hops will both be stale. I'd pass.
     
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  3. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    I be curious is the book any different that the web site?
    I know its like an older edition?
    http://www.howtobrew.com/intro.html
     
  4. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Sure, many homebrew kits have been killed by inexperienced homebrewers. :rolling_eyes:
     
  5. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    With that kind of discount it might be worth it to ask the seller how old it is, although it probably is a year at least. I'm thinking that the seller may be a 'dealer' who gets a deeply discounted supply from places that go out of business, over-stocks, etc. See if the seller had other kits for sale too... that may be a good hint.

    With that said, I'm not a lover of kits because the only two times that I've tried them I was not happy with the resulting beer. (Both times the kits were a gift, so they were not my choice for the expected beer.) I prefer to find clone recipes and purchase my ingredients specific to that recipe.
     
  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    The edition you can buy on Amazon (and probably elsewhere) is more up to date than the free online edition. There's updated thinking, as well as error corrections.
     
  7. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    yea I wonder if I need to buy it, I guess I should support the guy.
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You can ceratinly make good beer following the directions in the online version. But the updated version is better. If you do rely on the online version, I'd recommend reading up on yeast starters at the Mr. Malty or YeastCalc sites. In the online How To Brew, the yeast starter info is pretty rudimentary and oversimplified. Also, watch fermentation temps. The online HTB doesn't really make it clear that your wort temp will be several degrees higher than the ambient temp.

    None of this is meant to sound like complaining. The original version was certainly groundbreaking in its day and can still get people started.
     
  9. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    great tip thanks. Learn more ever day but sadly I forget almost as much, so I need books.
     
  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “But it is about a year old, which means the recipe kit would be about a year old, would this mean it would be bad? Which would make this deal not so great.”

    As was previously mentioned there are a number of ingredients which are of concern for a one year old kit: Liquid Malt Extract (assuming the kit has Liquid Malt Extract vs. Dried Malt Extract), hops and yeast.
    If the kit ingredients were stored properly for the whole year then the kit may be OK to purchase.

    Liquid Malt Extract will keep well for one year if it is kept refrigerated.

    If the hops are in nitrogen flushed mylar bag (e.g., HopUnion hops) and they were stored at freezer temperature than they are fine.

    If the yeast is dry yeast and it was stored at refrigerator temperature then at one year it is likely just fine (the dry yeast packet will have a best by date stamped on the package). One year old liquid yeast is too old (and should be discarded).

    I don’t know whether you can know for certainty how the kit was stored for the past year so all of the above ingredients are suspect. If you feel lucky you could purchase the kit but I would suggest that you purchase a new package of yeast to ensure that you have viable yeast for your batch.

    Cheers!
     
  11. Macurr4

    Macurr4 Initiate (0) Jan 1, 2014 Kentucky

    Thanks for all the input, this was a "last years Christmas gift" that I guess the guy finally decided he wasn't going to use. So I highly doubt he stored any of the ingredients properly. Thanks to everyone for the help.
     
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  12. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    If you're talking about the equipment plus ingredients for $30 I would do this, but dump the ingredients.
    Get a fresh set from MoreBeer, Northern Brewer or your local homebrew shop.
    If it's only the ingredients, then pass.
     
  13. Macurr4

    Macurr4 Initiate (0) Jan 1, 2014 Kentucky

    It's the northern brewer deluxe kit with glass carboys. Which is what I wanted to begin with, so I figured if I can get it for the right price then it'd be worth it and I'd just buy a new ingredient kit. (And one I'd actually want)
     
  14. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    Then heck yeah I'd go for it. Considering glass carboys are at least $30 each, plus the cost of the rest of the equipment, that's a steal. Again, throw away the recipe kit and get something you'd like.
     
  15. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    Well it's $50 off the actual price if I understood the OP correctly. Still, $50 is probably more than you would need for new ingredients so it's probably worth it. Extract can be expensive though so look into the prices of the ingredients for a brew you'd want
     
  16. Macurr4

    Macurr4 Initiate (0) Jan 1, 2014 Kentucky

    Yes you are correct. Thanks for the advice.
     
  17. bevoduz

    bevoduz Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2007 Illinois

    When I moved about 6 years ago I was currently not brewing, but had my equipment still. While moving I found a couple full corny's, a couple full carboy's, and a couple extract kits. These items probably sat untouched for a year or better. Discovering them during the move got me interested in brewing again, so I went ahead and brewed those kits, but bought fresh hops for them and used liquid yeast. The results, the beer was as good as any other extract kit I've bought. One was a honey kolsch or something from northern brewer and I didn't follow directions, and put the honey in at the start of boil rather than after flameout. It made a beer that tasted exactly like bit o honey!

    If the deal is good even without the extract kit, and you're a new brewer, it might be worth it to give it a try as a "practice run", but I'd suggest grabbing new hops and yeast. You might be surprised with the results!
     
  18. beer272

    beer272 Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2009 New Jersey

    Yes concur with JackHorzempa I would guess the kit was stored at room, so as Vikeman said LME and hops are shot. The kit may have gone for ~$50 originally, I would pass on this kit and go with either Northern brewer or Austin HB.
     
  19. Macurr4

    Macurr4 Initiate (0) Jan 1, 2014 Kentucky

    Well it was the Northern Brewer Deluxe kit. Ended up saving about $65 on it, got a recipe kit ordered and will be brewing my first brew this week! Thanks to everyone for their input!
     
  20. Seacoastbrewer

    Seacoastbrewer Initiate (0) Jun 5, 2012 New Hampshire

    Take good notes and report back! I always like reading about first time experiences.
     
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