Why aren't there more Scotch barrel aged beers?

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  1. willpedalforbeer

    willpedalforbeer Initiate (0) Feb 13, 2012 Missouri

    Not all. But most. Islay has the strongest use of it though. Some Irish whisky is peated.
     
  2. StLeasy

    StLeasy Initiate (0) Sep 8, 2013 Illinois

    Laphroags good, but I like Lagavulin a little more for Islay :grinning:
    @Joel
    Yea I know about the 51%+, and that scotch/whisky does not necessarily mean all-barley whisky, but if someone says they like scotch, they probably have a favorite single malt.
    A lot of Canadian whisky is a pretty even blend of corn and rye (and damn good IMO), but it sounds like you might already know! I'm a big fan of ~50:50s like Old Granddad and Rye Turkey
     
  3. Dupage25

    Dupage25 Savant (1,044) Jul 4, 2013 Antarctica

    Bourbon barrels are plentiful here because by law bourbon must be aged in new oak barrels; any whiskey aged in reused oak barrels cannot be sold as bourbon (unless it was aged in new oak barrels first). Demand is dictated by supply in this case. Bourbon distillers would just be throwing out barrels if they weren't selling them to brewers, or Scotch distillers.

    Which touches on something else brought up earlier. A lot of Scotch these days is aged in spent bourbon barrels anyway. So even if the final product doesn't taste anywhere near the same, it's technically possible for a 100% Scotch barrel-aged beer to also be 100% bourbon barrel aged. :grinning:

    Yeah, this was going to be my response to Wayne. Definitely depends on the whiskey. Quite a big difference between a Glenlivet 12 and a Laphroaig 10. I like Laphroaig but I can imagine any beer aged in a Laphroaig barrel being completely wrecked in about 2 weeks and never recovering.


    It isn't even necessarily the peat flavor. Lagavulin has more of a pure peat flavor I think. Laphroaig has that saline quality from aging near the ocean, and it's otherwise one of the least refined spirits you can get for the price. Extremely brash, but I like it on occasion.

    To be honest, I'm a little apprehensive about trying the cask-strength version....
     
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  4. joelwlcx

    joelwlcx Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2007 Minnesota

    Yes, now that I think of it. Less smoky, more Briny.

    Although, I'd like to try a Laphroig barrel aged Gose...
     
  5. Zimbo

    Zimbo Pooh-Bah (2,305) Aug 7, 2010 Scotland
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    There are more (Scotch) malt whisky barrel aged beers being made here (and England) all the time. Nothing like an avalanche but the number is growing.
     
  6. AHeaston8

    AHeaston8 Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2013 Ohio

    Wee Heavy's

    Great Divide Claymore.


    Drink. And don't pretend to be Scottish. pricks.


    save my soul or see you in hell
     
  7. paulaner

    paulaner Zealot (557) Jan 10, 2004 Wisconsin

    De Struise Black Mes is Black Albert aged on Coal Ila barrels which is a great beer.
     
  8. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Scotch whisky (note the spelling ; whiskey is a generic name) is traditionally aged in used sherry casks though some do use other sources.
     
  9. SHODriver

    SHODriver Pooh-Bah (2,415) Aug 13, 2010 North Carolina
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    and all beer is just beer:rolling_eyes:

    there are differences in grain/mash bills, processes used on the raw materials like smoking the malt, post aging differences like charcoal mellowing or mellowing over toasted maple, aging in American or French oak barrels and whether or not those barrels are charred. There are also different types of stills that can be used.
     
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  10. digita7693

    digita7693 Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2010 Germany

    De Molen, Emelisse, De Struise etc... are all doing wonderful Scotch barrel aged beers
     
  11. MattyEdgeworth

    MattyEdgeworth Initiate (0) Jan 7, 2014 Northern Ireland

    Not really, It's the primary flavour of some scotch. Not scotch in general.
     
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  12. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    "Was" traditionally aged in used sherry barrels. That era was ending sometime beginning about the middle of the last century and there are many ex-bourbon barrels on their 2nd or 3rd re-use these days. Even The Macallan has had a major line of non-sherry aged offerings for over 20 years or so.
     
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  13. Zimbo

    Zimbo Pooh-Bah (2,305) Aug 7, 2010 Scotland
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    And most (Scotch) whisky barrels today are made from American oak to complete the obvious connection. But Sherry barrels made of European oak probably bring better results. No offense.
     
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  14. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    As a fan of the fine oak series from The Macallan, I'd suggest that their blenders have shown us that a combination from European oak and American oak barrels can bring out the best of both. And personally I have a preference for The Glenlivet in the American oak compared to the French oak.
     
  15. Zimbo

    Zimbo Pooh-Bah (2,305) Aug 7, 2010 Scotland
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    I like both too. The 'better results' reference from my earlier post is what you often hear in Scottish /UK whisky circles but I tend not to differentiate. All in the spirit of experimentation and progress I say.
     
  16. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Understood. If you "cut your eye teeth" on sherry aged single malt and always believed it was best....

    But sherry aging began as a necessity and new necessities can actually lead to finding new virtues.

    So when in the mood for sherry aged, I can find it. If in the mood for port aged, or oak aged, etc. The goal is to find the new virtues rather than bemoan the lack of one that has been replaced or augmented by others.

    The last 50 years have been good ones for single malts.

    (But I do sometimes regret having finished off my last bottle of one of the Rare Malts series before finding out it's now selling for roughly $1000 US. Think how much more I might have enjoyed it... :slight_smile: )
     
  17. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    This week, I was looking at analysis of a London-brewed Burton from the 1920's. In the flavour column it said "American oak". It was indicating a fault. British brewers avoided American oak because they didn't like the flavour it imparted to beer. They preferred the neutral Memel oak from the Baltic.
     
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  18. Zimbo

    Zimbo Pooh-Bah (2,305) Aug 7, 2010 Scotland
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    Ha, reminds me of that bottle of Ardbeg 1977 I drank about ten years ago. But it really was one of the best whisky tasting experiences of my life.
     
  19. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    If I drank a bottle of whisky I wouldn't be able to rmember eff all about it.
     
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  20. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Yeah, I can see that being thought of as a flaw. Its not a flavor that goes well with seveal others or gets easily hidden by the others. I think from what I've seen around here that the Glenlivet folks have had much more success with the Frech oak aged than the American oak aged malt whisky as well.
     
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