Unsent extras - opinions wanted

If extras are discussed, they are no longer true extras. They are an expansion of the trade.

 

i'd not trade with him again, and if he lists you as a reference, i'd warn other traders. however, i'd give up on receiving the promised "extras".

as for said "extras," they're part of the trade when you agree on them. you don't want to overthink that whole thing too much though... he kind of screwed you, but you'll meet people who go above and beyond, so it's really nothing to worry about it (and you got whatever you were ISO:FT or whatever). not every trade goes great (shrug).

 

Please. "I'm gonna make you work at it and not put it out there for a few days." That sounds like you are playing with us.

Personally, I don't think this is a bad trader situation. Is it a jerk move to not include extras, when their inclusion was agreed upon? Yes. Does it make you a bad trader if it happens once? Nope.

 

as an aside, am i wrong to assume that someone sort of losing their shit over beatification is a big red flag?

i know it's a great beer and all, but it seems like the people that are frantically trying to get every drop of it they can, very publicly on the ISO:FT board and the general trading board... to me, that says, "i don't have any established relationships with any cali traders, but i want to Throw Around Big Shot Beer."

does anyone see what i mean? am i way off, or is my sociological / psychological radar working properly on this one?

 

I agree with most here as extras are just that extras - (unless agreed upon in a trade) - If they are agreed upon as most in here have stated it becomes part of the trade .
Is it worth it to pursue it ..not really IMO - I would just chalk it down as someone I would be "Leary" in trading with in the future and beer karma will pay you back sometime down the road .

However I will add him saying he is broke and then looking to make other trades is a dick move and frowned upon.

 

Maybe it's just the semantics of the words we use, but if anyone were to 1) not include the items that were agreed upon ("extras" or otherwise), or 2) refuse to replace something that is lost/damaged/stolen in transit, then they are a pretty "bad trader" in my book.

 

I have never agreed on extras and not gotten or not sent them, so this is a strange situation. Most people who don't want to do extras, or don't have a box big enough for extras usually just tell me right from the start. I've done the same.

 

Those beers are not extras. The moment the two of you agreed to send additional beers beyond the agreed upon trade, they became part of the trade not extras anymore, but surprise bottles if you will. You sent additional bottles because he said "Shall we do extras? I have a couple of your wants I think" and then he doesn't send any extras at all. When you point out to him that he left out the surprise bottles the two of you had discussed, the d-bag says he can't afford to send you anything. At the same time, he is actively pursuing other trades that will obviously cost him money to ship. (Sorry my finances don't allow me to send you the beer I owe you because I am spending my money on new trades) Given the different factors here, I would say this is definitely someone I would rather not trade with. I'd tell him to forget about the beers he owes me, and I would call him out for being shady.

 

Extras are only extra when you don't know you're getting them. Once you agree to include extra stuff, it's part of the main trade. At least IMO.

 

I am not sure how to feel about this. I would be pissed if I were you for sure, but I think I would take the loss and just not trade with them again.

Also with so many of these popping up lately I feel like people should start BMing the veteran traders rather than always posting a thread to see what everyone thinks. No insult intended, just my opinion.

 

Who should I email exactly?

Also, if you have a problem with these threads...

 

I had this happen to me. A trader promised extras and never sent them. It was a 1 for 1 bottle trade and he sent only the one bottle agreed upon. It seemed a little shifty, but I wasn't going to out him. I don't list him on my trader list and if I get a reference check from someone about him, I'll tell them what happened.

 

Interesting and weird. The opinions in this thread are the complete opposite of what I expected.

 

This seems right.

 

I agree with the others, once you agree on it, it becomes part of the trade. Not some cool surprise.

 

I think the question is, when you agree on extras then are they really extras or do they then become part of the trade? It sounds like in your situation, they became part of the trade, since it was specifically mentioned that you both would include additional beers, and presumably you are agreed to this with the expectation that you would receive an equal quantitity in return. So in this case, yes, I think he did not fully complete the trade.

Personally, I hate extras. It's a nice gesture to throw an extra beer in, if you want to just to be a nice guy, but I don't like how they are expected and if someone doesn't include them then they are consider bad traders. Ive seen many people who list trading references and put an asterisks by the people who dont include extras. I also think its difficult to judge the value of extras, what you should include, what's considered a fair or reasonable amount to send, etc. It has the potential to set up a situation where an agreed upon trade can become unbalanced when one person includes a great extra and the other throws a local shelf in. Since my first trade (before I knew it was common practice), I have included extras in every trade. But I would just assume the practice go away.

 

Also agree when it is agreed upon that extras will be sent it is then part of the trade, but i have never completed a trade that even when extra's werent agreed upon that i didnt receive or send extras, i would cut your losses and just avoid that person later

 

I wish I could be this positive. Bottom line FWIW, this is the last "bad trader" thread I will read or respond to. I am so sick of these. This guy straight up screwed up.

Even if it was a mis-underestanding, provide a name in the thread, and let him know you created it. If he is interested enough in his reputation going forward to make it right, let him post his side in the thread, and hopefully make it right. If not, I DON'T WANT TO TRADE WITH HIM. Unfortunately, at this point, if I am going to have to go Sherlock Holmes to figure out who this jerkoff is (if he is one), I am not going to bother. So the whole community suffers (because I will more and more trade only with partners, and the rest of the new and growing community loses out on my generosity) as a result NOT of this guy's mistake, but your PC avoidance of conflict.

 

This is definitely in the gray zone. I think it's a bad move on the other traders part and he should send something to make up for the "agreed upon extras". But if you get no beer, list him as a trade with caution trader and move on. I've had a couple trades like this recently, and I just moved on. If we trade again, I'm sure they'll make up for it. At the end of the day, it's just beer and you unfortunately have a couple less to drink because of this trade.