Box left out all night in 0 degree temps

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  1. pittsburghkid66

    pittsburghkid66 Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2009 Indiana

    So lately my mind has just not been working like normal and I forget everything. Got a fedex box yesterday afternoon. Started to go get it, got distracted, and forgot all about it. Got outside about noon today and saw the thing sitting on my porch covered in about two inches of snow. Windchill was well into the negatives last night. Gonna let the box dry up and will let everyone know what I found. Guesses are welcome. Trying to put to bed the myth of beer freezing when left out for short periods.

    I left a four pack of milk stout in my car outside overnight a couple weeks back when it got down to -17. Beer didn't even have an ounce of slush and was perfectly fine. Gonna guess the same with this. If I don't forgot about this post, I will be back in an hour or so and let everyone know what happened in case anyone else is curious.
     
  2. bigk84

    bigk84 Initiate (0) Jun 2, 2011 Michigan

    I'm curious to see what happens with it. Hopefully it's fine and nothing exploded, freezing should be ok if nothing leaked.
     
  3. Rotero24

    Rotero24 Initiate (0) Aug 6, 2013 California

    Hopefully you got mostly high abv beers as those will probably have a good chance to make it at that temp...
     
  4. Stevedore

    Stevedore Grand Pooh-Bah (5,096) Nov 16, 2012 Oregon
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    I bet OP forgets about this and posts tomorrow.
     
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  5. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Mmmmm beer slushies
     
  6. lowbit

    lowbit Initiate (0) Jul 24, 2013 Wisconsin

    High ABV beers being relatively freeze-proof is actually a myth, as the freezing point unfortunately drops slowly with increased ABV. (Tripling the alcohol from 4% to 12% ABV provides only about 6F additional freeze resistance.)
     
  7. Kurmaraja

    Kurmaraja Initiate (0) May 21, 2013 California
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    Can you elaborate? Do you mean that if beer freezes and then thaws there's no degradation in quality as long as it didn't leak?
     
  8. cfh64

    cfh64 Pooh-Bah (2,070) Aug 16, 2005 Texas
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    Tell me it ain't so brotha. Not the 'Lure!

    I didn't even look to see when it was delivered so hopefully that wasn't it.
     
  9. pittsburghkid66

    pittsburghkid66 Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2009 Indiana

    ok, opened the box and all is safe and well. Was a box within a box so I am sure that helped. Also, individually wrapped with bubble wrap.

    2x back yard and 4 x coffee absolutely fine with of course really cold bottles.
    1x cherry rye was in the middle of the box yet seemed to be close to the freezing point. No slush at all but you could tell it was a little syrupy. Anyway, all is well and nothing slushy.
     
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  10. pittsburghkid66

    pittsburghkid66 Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2009 Indiana

    No bro, that made it safe and sound haha.
     
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  11. cfh64

    cfh64 Pooh-Bah (2,070) Aug 16, 2005 Texas
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    Whew! lol, I remember one of the last things you told me was "if it freezes on the porch, its on me" or something close to that. BTW, your overly well packed box (as always) arrived safe and sound. Thanks again!
     
  12. pittsburghkid66

    pittsburghkid66 Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2009 Indiana

    haha, I am more narcissist than I am forgetful.
     
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  13. bigk84

    bigk84 Initiate (0) Jun 2, 2011 Michigan

    Technically yes...if it didn't leak, there is nowhere for any of the beer, to go so it is still 100% sealed inside the bottle...when thawed it should go back to normal. I opened up a bottle that froze on me before (Logsdon Seizon Bretta) and I couldn't tell the difference from one that hasn't been frozen...but that's just me, it might be different for you.

    Glad all your bottles made it, that's scary.
     
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  14. Kbyfield

    Kbyfield Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2009 Wisconsin

    FWIW, windchill isn't relevant
     
  15. jdhowe

    jdhowe Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2013 Georgia

    Generally, freezing and unfreezing can be bad for beer because the yeast can freeze and rupture (imparting off flavors) among other less prominent concerns.

    As for wind chill, I suspect that it can actually be an issue, although a minor one. If there is moisture (snow, for instance), wind can help bring the box down to the "wet bulb" temperature rather than the ambient temperature, which is suppressed due to evaporative cooling (whether a liquid to vapor "boiling" transition or a solid to vapor "subliming" transition). Maybe my memory of thermodynamics is not great, but I'd think this is a very possible (but minor) possibility.
     
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  16. mdomask

    mdomask Initiate (0) May 27, 2012 Illinois

    This is a very useful reference: http://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=1640
     
  17. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    What distracted you from that kinda box, Kate Upton come prancing around?
     
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  18. bigk84

    bigk84 Initiate (0) Jun 2, 2011 Michigan

    So I had a box come today...-9 last night and hovered under 0 all morning...box was delivered to FedEx location about 1:30 PM, picked up and within a half hour found out and nothing was frozen, broken, leaking, etc...I was shocked. All beers were under 7% abv too.

    If it means anything he triple boxed, bagged and wrapped the hell out of every bottle. Impressive pack job.
     
  19. oregonskibum

    oregonskibum Initiate (0) Mar 14, 2009 Oregon

    Really? Doesn't cold air flowing past that box transfer heat out of the box at a more rapid rate than without the wind? It's the same concept of wind chill and the human body. Or another more relevant example, putting a bottle in the chiller at the store. The movement of water around the bottle will accelerate the drop of temperature.

    I'm curious why the impact of wind chill would be excluded from a box of beer, but not other objects.
     
  20. Kbyfield

    Kbyfield Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2009 Wisconsin

    Wins chill doesn't make things colder. It'll cool it faster but it won't make it colder (wet bulb example mentioned above aside)

    Say it's 40 degrees outside and wind chill is 5 degrees. Put a bucket of water outside and it'll only chill to 40 degrees, not 5.
     
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