First homebrew Zombie Dust Clone too ambitious?

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  1. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Maven (1,265) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico
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    If by having a strategy meeting before brewing you mean getting drunk that's a bad idea. Brew sober until you know what you're doing or you'll screw up.
     
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  2. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I resemble that remark! :astonished:
     
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  3. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Thanks for all the help
    No not getting drunk. That's what Super Bowl Sunday is for. One guy suggested we meet up for lunch and go over the details. At first I was like naw we're good....oh yes what a noob. Now I see the importance.
     
  4. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    The recipe is for 5 gallons and we have a 20qt pot and an outside propane burner. I read 6.5 gallons would probably be needed for a full boil. With the pot being around 6 gallons is it possible to do a full boil without over spill? The recipe has the option to do a partial boil with 3 gallons.
     
  5. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    20qt=5gal
    Do a large of a boil as possible. It might not be a perfect clone, but you'll probably have a beer that you enjoy. If you want to do it again, look into buying at least an 8gal(32qt) to do a full boil for a 5gal batch.
     
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  6. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    We have the following equipment:
    Qty. 2 6-plus plastic gallon brew tubs (one has spigot for bottling)
    Qty. 1 5 gallon glass bottle for second fermentation
    Qty. 1 outside propane burner
    Qty. 1 5 gallon PET bottle with fermometer sticker to Measure temp
    Qty. 1 20 quart brew kettle
    Qty. 1 large cooking thermometer
    Qty. 4 professional strength cleaning packet
    Qty. 1 5 oz. sanitizing solution
    Qty. 1 bottling tool
    Qty. 1 grain bag for cooking
    Qty. 1 stopper/air lock
    Qty. 1 siphon and tubing

    The recipe:
    Fermentables
    AmountFermentablePPG°LBill %
    6 lbDry Malt Extract - Extra Light422.570.6%
    6 lbTotal
    Steeping Grains
    AmountFermentablePPG°LBill %
    1 lbAmerican - Munich - Light 10L331011.8%
    0.5 lbGerman - CaraFoam371.85.9%
    0.5 lbAmerican - Caramel / Crystal 60L34605.9%
    0.5 lbGerman - Melanoidin37255.9%
    Hops
    AmountVarietyAAUseTime
    1 ozCitra11First Wort
    1 ozCitra11Boil15 min
    1 ozCitra11Boil10 min
    1 ozCitra11Boil5 min
    1 ozCitra11Boil1 min
    3 ozCitra11Dry Hop7 days

    For fermentation one guy has a cave like room behind his garage under his house. He says it stays the same temp regardless of the temp outside. After reading all the posts about temp control I asked him take a few readings over the next few days at different times. Also I have a fridge in my garage that sits fairly empty. If needed I could use it. Just not sure if I could still store food in there with a temp around 60 - 65.
     
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  7. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    We plan on doing this long term and have been discussing getting a larger pot. So larger the boil the better. We could do a 4 gallon partial.

    Oops I did UK quart to US gallon. Now I know 4 qts = 1 gallon. Noob mistake already.
    [​IMG]
     
  8. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Hops weren't too bad. $4.50 per 2 oz, so 8 oz $18, but no shipping. The extract was the most at $30 or so. I'll definently check some online places. Funny to see amazon selling hops.
     
  9. udubdawg

    udubdawg Initiate (0) Dec 11, 2006 Kansas

    thank you for typing all that.

    yeast? gonna use 1968? gonna make a starter or use multiple packs?

    with a small pot you can at least get it cooled faster without a chiller. And have the rest of your water pre-chilled to help you get the rest of the way. I'd probably just make that topoff water store-bought to be safe. Don't pitch until the wort is cooled. opinions vary but I go 3-4 degrees below my ferm temperature and then pitch.

    I'm at work but I assume you've copied over the recipe for a full boil; expect to have to adjust it when boiling 4g or whatever volume you'll be doing. If you've already adjusted it great.

    I believe in oxygenating with pure O2, but sometimes I just use a mix-stir and whip the bejeezus out of my non-imperial/non-lager wort before pitching my yeast.

    dry-hopping... hmm, at this point I only dry-hop in a keg away from any O2 so I'll let others help you here. I don't see the point in racking if the secondary is not going to be completely full. thus you're looking at probably 5.5 gallons in your primary to get 5 in the second.
    Are the hops pellet or whole? Are they gonna be in a bag or loose in your secondary? Also, I suppose you'll at least be able to taste your hydrometer sample at racking; if something is seriously wrong you can save those dry hops to try again.
     
  10. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Not to rain on your parade, but the Munich and Melanoiden need to be mashed.
     
  11. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I don't see a hydrometer among your equipment items. That minimal-cost device is very important, so I suggest that you put it on your shopping list right away.
     
  12. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    "The question I have is doing a ZD clone and spending $60 on ingredients foolish for our first brew?"

    No. It's ambitious. But I wouldn't say foolish.

    "Should we do something easier and with less cost?"

    Not necessarily. First beers almost always have flaws, but first-time brewers tend to love them anyway. In some ways, IPAs are a good first beer, because the IBUs tend to hide other flaws that might be present.

    "If so any suggestions?"

    I often recommend an american wheat for a first brew, just because they're simple, they're ready quickly, and they're pretty hard to mess up. But seriously, it's your hobby, your beer, so do what you feel like doing. If you do the ZD clone, two things: don't expect it to taste like ZD, and follow directions as exactly as you possibly can down to the exact fucking letter of every step (ie, don't make one of these rookie mistakes like, "well, I couldn't get the wort down to 70F so I just pitched it at 85F" or "I threw a pound of honey in at the last second just for the heck of it" or anything like that).
     
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  13. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Man, surprised to step in all this piss in here. Who pissed the farthest anyway? :flushed:

    That being said... To the op, yes, brew a zdust clone. It's pretty easy, get some light LME or light DME, figure out how much you will need to hit your original gravity, and carpet bomb the shit out of it with citra. Use it for bittering, flavor, aroma, knock out, hopstand, and dry hop additions.
    If you can't do a full wort boil you can lose hop utilization due to increased gravity, homer simpson is right about that. However you can counter this by adding a small portion of extract at the beginning of the boil and adding the majority of it at the last five minutes. Once you get done with your boil you can top your beer off to the appropriate volume with fresh water. It may not be the "right" thing to do but I have done this in the past and gotten tasty beer. Seriously, all your flaws will be hidden in a sea of dank tropical fruit anyway.
     
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  14. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Yeah, looks like its a partial mash recipe.
     
  15. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

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    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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  17. beui

    beui Aspirant (275) Nov 3, 2009 Pennsylvania

    I just got one of these http://www.rakuten.com/prod/40-quar...team-rack-and-lid-cookware-set/232943708.html

    It's not professional grade thick, but it's sturdy. I've only used it as a hot liqueur tank so far, but I will be using it for 5 gallon batches.
     
  18. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I forgot to add the yeast. Yeast would be a vile of English Ale Yeast S-04. We weren't planning on a starter but based on recent info we might go that way.

    We just got a wort chiller so we should be good there. The recommend temp on the yeast is 59 - 75 so our target will 65.

    Hops are pellets and they will be loose.
     
  19. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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  20. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    20 quarts = 5 gallons, not enough.

    Turkey fryers* are common. I've got one. Works great. Big pot, plenty of heat.

    However, splitting the boil between two pots is much better than topping off with water, and is perfectly acceptable. I did a few of these back in the day, and the beer came out fine. Split the hops proportionally to volumes if you use more than one pot for the boil.

    *the only thing I don't recommend about a turkey fryer is actually frying turkeys with it. :rolling_eyes:
     
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