Undercover Boss: Molson Coors

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Hanzo, May 10, 2012.

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  1. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    So I happened across this episode and found some things interesting. They spoke of how they were in battle with Craft Breweries, and they were going to their breweries to see what was going wrong to cause their business loss and found out that nothing was wrong, and that they have stellar quality control in each plant yadda yadda yadda.

    But anyway, the entire time they did not once focus any attention on making a tastier product, it was all about how well organized and clean their facilities were and how good their QA and consistency was.

    My question is 1. did anyone see this episode, 2. do the giants really not know that people are leaving their products because they crave something with taste?

    No one questions the giants ability to put out a consistent product...
     
  2. WeaponTheyFear

    WeaponTheyFear Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2008 Connecticut

    I'm sure they know that they are making an inferior product, just like McDonalds does. Do you honestly think that any company would admit that they make an inferior product on national tv?
     
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  3. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    Of course not, but they mentioned in the beginning that craft drinkers were leaving them because they thought their beer was too bland or something like that, so they said the reason, but then didn't mention it again the whole show.
     
  4. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Once upon a time the dynamic was that the 'Import-drinkers' were the ones who started to shift towards American craft beers, leaving those mass-market beers (like Molson or Heineken) behind. In fact, early Samuel Adams radio commercials tried to tap into that subset, touting that SA beers were fresher and better than those other 'premium' beers. That was a long time ago, though, and I doubt that most craft drinkers are coming at it from that angle anymore. It would appear, from the OP, that the Molson thought process is stuck in the past.
     
  5. Jnorton00

    Jnorton00 Maven (1,338) Apr 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    I saw it but I don't think they mentioned people leaving for taste.
     
  6. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    At the very beginning, it was the voiceover that gives you the company overview.

    Unless you are calling me a liar!!?

    :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  7. Jnorton00

    Jnorton00 Maven (1,338) Apr 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    I'm clearly not drinking enough beer to boost my intelligence but I'm sure you're still a liar. :slight_smile:
     
  8. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    That’s because although craft drinkers may be leaving them, lots of people still drink both, and there are many more beer drinkers switching from beer to wine or fromm beer to top shelf whisk(e)ys. After all, how afraid should the big kids be of 2000 breweries who collectively can't sell much more than about 5% of the total beer consumption in the US?
     
  9. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    Oh no doubt, it will be many many years (if ever) before craft takes over the giants....but they absolutely feel the loss of sales, which is evident by them coming out with craft imposters and buying as many little guys as they can.
     
  10. mcaulifww

    mcaulifww Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2011 Virginia


    http://www.salon.com/2012/05/07/can_beer_save_america/singleton/

    “craft brewing sales share in 2011 was 5.7 percent (of the total beer market) by volume and 9.1 percent by dollars.”

    consumption is a lot less indicitave of the hurt the big boys feel.

    I think the real issue that the big corps have is the same in any industry. They may know, or have an idea, what their deficienties are, but they are too big, rigid, and slow to do anything about it before they fall behind again. By the time Molson makes its product comperable to its competitors (who ever, and however many there are), its competitors will be ten steps ahead.
     
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  11. LambicKing

    LambicKing Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2011 Germany

    I saw the episode and attribute the absence of addressing the taste issue to the show simply being a 60-minute commercial for the conglomerate. I mean, that company has the bankroll to make something like that happen...so maybe they did. I doubt they'd want to admit TOO MUCH they produce an inferior product. I am willing to bet the 20-lb brains at the top of the company's food chain know exacly why they are losing market share, but refuse to change their recipes since there's still good money in them. As for the loss of market share, they just choose to offer faux craft options in an attempt to combat that loss. I believe in time the giants will have to completely change what they offer.
     
  12. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia


    I disagree with that, the big boys have the money to create beer that rivals the best the craft world has to offer. The question is why aren't they. I'd say once craft sales go high enough to start causing layoffs and brewery closings they will change...and quickly.
     
  13. mcaulifww

    mcaulifww Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2011 Virginia


    I agree with your point. They definitely have the money to make good beer.

    I think of the why a little like David and Goliath: Goliath has the strength to pummel David, but he's too slow and not agile enough. David is more creative, nimble, and quick which allows him to out manuever Goliath.

    Also, I don't know that they can change quickly. I don't know that the market will let them. They've entrenched themselves in a marco strategy and the consumers will never see them as anything but that. Take Blue Moon, not a bad beer, but the amount of BAs who don't support them simply because they're Coors attempt at craft as a sample is an example as to why it's so hard for them.

    They're too big and I don't think the craft market wants them in our zone
     
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  14. acevenom

    acevenom Initiate (0) Oct 7, 2011 Louisiana

    Maybe BMC could focus on developing throwback beers of their own with their pre-prohibition recipes. Are these old recipes still lying in vaults? All it's going to take is for one of them to try it and have success. The pre-prohibition lager is really the best shot in their arsenal, but they're not using it. Blue Moon and Shock Top are selling, but imagine what a pre-prohibition lager with the BMC advertising machine behind it would do. Pepsi certainly put some advertising weight behind Pepsi Throwback, so I imagine BMC could do the same with pre-prohibition lagers. I think Pabst is on the right track with Schlitz Gusto and I wish I had some sales information regarding the recently phased out Schlitz formula vs. the new "old" Schlitz.
     
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  15. mcaulifww

    mcaulifww Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2011 Virginia

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    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    And yet, somehow, even without the support of "BA's", Blue Moon Belgian White is far and away the best selling "specialty" beer in the US, outselling any single "Craft" beer.

    What some don't seem to consider is that for A-B and MC and the big import beer companies in the US to abandon their portfolio of "inferior" beers and all start brewing "craft beer" it will be necessary for the 90+% of beer drinkers to abandon those beers that they obvious prefer to "craft beer". Good luck with that.
     
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  17. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    They'll never abondon those staple beers because there will always be a customer base that likes them, it's a matter of shifting focus to a different market segment, which they are only half ass doing thus far.
     
  18. mcaulifww

    mcaulifww Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2011 Virginia

    The cost benefit is probably not enough to force a shift. While they may be losing share they don't perceive a great enough value in the short run
     
  19. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    Right, in which case we're right back to them not caring until it really hits them in the pocketbook. And in my opinion the people that prefer BMC are not going to be around forever, new drinkers in the future are going to have so many more choices they won't have to start out with BMC like a lot of us did.

    Because people are creatures of habit, if you've bought Bud your whole life from the time you started drinking, it makes it easier to walk past the craft stuff to get to your sixer.
     
  20. mcaulifww

    mcaulifww Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2011 Virginia

    I agree with everything but I think BMC drinkers will definitely be around forever. we are the niche that likes beers with taste, the BMC market that we talk about likes to get drunk and not hurt their wallet. I know the light beers have less abv, but bmc drinkers are also less informed. i think there will always be room for bmc
     
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