Why no "American adjunct ales"?

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  1. SaCkErZ9

    SaCkErZ9 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,057) Feb 27, 2005 South Carolina
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    Adjuncts include anything fermentable, aside from the base malted grains. Unmalted grains fit the bill but so do fruits, vegetables, sugar, honey, etc. I would assume you are referring to things like coffee and vanilla as additives, which are added for flavor only, with no impact on the fermentability of the beverage?
     
  2. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado


    OK. Thanx. But your use of "so-called "craft" has me wondering about your true feelings concerning the subject.
     
  3. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    IMHO 5 of the top 10 beers on this site, maybe more, use adjuncts.

    Adjuncts = good for many beers, especially ones looking for drier finish, higher ABV, and/or improved mouthfeel.

    Belgian candi adjuncts in many cases are more expensive than malt barley, and are essential in many of our favorite beers, a pound can go for double cost of grain.

    Chai tea, for instance, is not an adjunct, it is a complete waste of chai tea.:wink:
     
  4. AlienSwineFlu

    AlienSwineFlu Savant (1,135) Dec 14, 2012 Ohio

    Thanks for all the knowledge on adjuncts. Legitimately, I'm learning a lot.

    I guess I should made the question something like... "Why does BMC only make fizzy yellow lagers and not ales?"
     
  5. kdb150

    kdb150 Initiate (0) Mar 8, 2012 Pennsylvania

    I don't know about "all," some fruit additions go into the fermenter to provide fermentable sugars for the yeast. Seems to me this would fall under the definition of "Non-malt carbohydrate material of suitable compostion and properties which beneficially complement or supplement the principal brewing material which is barley malt."
     
  6. GotWad629

    GotWad629 Initiate (0) Sep 14, 2010 New York

    Not going to bash on BMC or Coors here because without them a lot of us wouldn't have the massive access to craft like we do - someone needs to keep the lights on and trucks moving.

    With that said..the reason why lagers are so prevalent and popular in the U.S. is because of A.) marketing and B.) the fact that these giants, in order to keep their businesses booming need to cater to lowest common denominator of beer drinkers. C.) History - after prohibition breweries started to focus their efforts on creating light, crisp, most times bland lagers (using adjuncts like rice helped create they crispness and lightness and I believe it also cut costs) because that's what the trend of the day was. Combine that with massive amounts of marketing and here we are today - granted those are some of the cliff notes to a larger story.

    There are a lot of reasons why craft brewers gravitate towards ales. They're full flavored, a lot more room for experimentation, it seems like most craft brewers were inspired by the great beers of Britain and Belgium too which are mostly ales. Brewing ales allows you to get your product to consumers must faster as well because you don't need to lager or store the beer for an extended amount of time before releasing it - which also allows for cheaper start up costs. I also think that as a community we finally getting over the notion that lagers are lame - but when the craft scene started I'm sure that was the common way of thinking.
     
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  7. SaCkErZ9

    SaCkErZ9 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,057) Feb 27, 2005 South Carolina
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    Because that is what Americans drink, and what most Americans consider beer.
     
  8. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    That is why I worded that as I did:
    since some fruit and other additives will contribute some fermentable material - although I doubt you'll find many "craft brewers" would use the term "adjunct" (or even the B.A.'s convoluted "adjunct to enhance rather than lighten flavor" phrase) for those types of ingredients. Nor are they using them primarily to supplement barley malt.
     
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  9. AlienSwineFlu

    AlienSwineFlu Savant (1,135) Dec 14, 2012 Ohio

    Do you think the average consumer would dismiss a Bud Light ale compared to a Bud Light lager? Legitimate question. I could be completely wrong, but it seems to me that the average person drinks lager because that's what BMC makes- not the other way around. That's basically where I was coming from in posting this thread.
     
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  10. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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  11. kerry4porters

    kerry4porters Maven (1,495) Dec 31, 2012 Arizona

    bud American Ale was actually pretty good when it was around like for a year or something
     
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  12. WesMantooth

    WesMantooth Grand Pooh-Bah (4,844) Jan 8, 2014 Ohio
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    I remember that. It wasnt bad. There was one that reminded me of it in the 12 pack, zip code, contest thing. Of course, the public picked the one that tasted the most like Bud, hence Black Crown
     
  13. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    The full expression is "malt adjunct" , those grains added to the mash requiring the use of the enzymes in the malt for conversion.These also dilute the enzymes and enable clarity from high protein malts. The expression has been used loosely (largely by people who see the word and assume its meaning from the context) to cover other ingredients. Brewing is an ancient craft and has its own jargon.To a brewer, "liquor" simply means water.
     
  14. Sponan

    Sponan Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2008 Tennessee

    Why doesn't McDonald's have a nice prime rib on the menu?
     
  15. AlienSwineFlu

    AlienSwineFlu Savant (1,135) Dec 14, 2012 Ohio

    I wasn't asking why BMC doesn't produce high quality beers. I was just asking why they don't make mass-produced, mediocre ales like they do with lagers. Haha.
     
  16. keithmurray

    keithmurray Pooh-Bah (2,967) Oct 7, 2009 Connecticut
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    I'd love to see at least a few craft breweries shoot for a summer type AAL, I'm sure they could be tasty
     
  17. Johnny_Muir

    Johnny_Muir Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2014 New Jersey

    Unfortunately, Rainier is now just another Pabst owned brew. I like it way more than anything BMC, but its still under that umbrella.
     
  18. Johnny_Muir

    Johnny_Muir Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2014 New Jersey

    Ah, the American Ale Conspiracy. It was released only mere months after the InBev acquisition of AB. Thats marketing in a nutshell. Get people to believe the exact opposite of the truth while laughing all the way to the bank.
     
  19. StarRanger

    StarRanger Crusader (482) Nov 27, 2006 North Dakota

    Read "Ambitious Brew: The Story of American Beer" by Maureen Ogle.
    It goes through the history of American beer, and for you, specifically how German brewers and lager breweries came to dominate the American beer market.
    http://www.amazon.com/Ambitious-Brew-Story-American-Beer/dp/0156033593/
     
  20. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah, of those I mentioned so are Ballantine XXX Ale and McSorley's Ale. (I imagine Pabst might also own the US rights to Carling Red Cap Ale, too- since they still control the Black Label brand here).

    I'd guess Heileman, which bought Rainier in the last 1970s, is responsible for the dumbing down of Rainier Ale. I was shocked when I had it again in the 1990s after it being a favorite of mine in California in the mid-70s when Rainier was still independent. I can only imagine moving it out of the Seattle brewery to a Miller plant (Irwindale, I'd guess) just did more harm to it.
     
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