Undercover Boss: Molson Coors

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Hanzo, May 10, 2012.

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  1. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    Make no mistake, these craft breweries are out for money, there may be an exception here and there that do it for the fun/love of it, but most want money/growth, and I can't blame them.

    And I don't really care if BMC buys a craft brewery as long as

    1. They do not make any cost cutting/quality reducing changes
    2. They expand distribution and availability
     
  2. jbertsch

    jbertsch Pooh-Bah (2,874) Dec 14, 2008 Massachusetts
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    As they still have an enormous market share of brand-loyal customers, changing their recipe to be "tastier" to the 5% of customers who have already left is immensely dangerous from a business standpoint. Remember when Coke tried to change their recipe? Huge misstep.

    Plus, I've never quite believed that the people behind BMC see their beer as inferior. Aside from the story of Busch not drinking his own beer, I picture most people working for BMC to be big fans and consumer of their own product. I may be delusional....
     
  3. nrs207

    nrs207 Initiate (0) Sep 8, 2011 Pennsylvania

    I have an emotional connection with these beers. I had a lot of great times in college with them. That doesn't mean shit considering last night I tried a sip of Coors Light for the first time in a long time and I almost gagged. I feel bad for the person who buys beer based on emotional connections instead of taste, or any food or beverage for that matter. If you like the taste of it, ok, but if you like the taste of craft and buy Bud bc you see some dumb commercial that has nothing to do with the beer, I feel sorry for you. Every time I see one of their new commercials on TV, all I think is "that has nothing to do with me and nothing to do with the actual product, what are they thinking?"
     
  4. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    I never recommended they stop producing their popular fare, I am merely saying they need to shift primary focus to this new rapidly growing market. Right now 99% of their focus is on their macro stuff, and they are putting little effort into making quality brews to appeal to the craft drinkers they've lost.
     
  5. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    I'd say that the creation of "Tenth and Blake" as a separate division (with breweries/brands like Leinenkugel, Blue Moon, Terrapin and Pilsner Urquell under it's umbrella) suggests that in the US MillerCoors (MolsonCoors' US joint-venture with SABMiller) that they are focused more than 1% on the craft/specialty segment.
     
  6. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    I'm pretty sure I saw something like that on tap the other night. It was called something like "Batch 19" and it was made by Coors. It was supposed to be a pre-prohibition brew. I didn't try it as there was SN Ruthless Rye on the tap next to it.
     
  7. acevenom

    acevenom Initiate (0) Oct 7, 2011 Louisiana

    And that's a good thing even though I never had Batch 19. We don't get it in my area. I wouldn't mind seeing it in this area with more advertising behind it nationally.
     
  8. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2010 California

    What about Sierra Nevada and Anchor? I believe both of those breweries are in every state.
     
  9. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Savant (1,207) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    I think he meant "popular" in terms of "hype" not sales.
     
  10. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Savant (1,207) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    preference. (Sorry about that, but you did it twice and its driving me crazy)

    Actually, it can be stated as a fact. Using, say, BA ratings of beers. That shows preference in a factual manner.
     
  11. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Savant (1,207) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    Problem with this is that there isnt a 94% that drink AAL and 6% drink craft.

    About 50% drink both. They splurge and have a craft beer 1-2 times per month while out and drink AAL the rest of the time.

    I saw it at a Derby party last weekend. I bring homebrew to it every year. There is always a keg of some light beer too (Miller Lite this year). A number of the guests alternate taps all day long. The funny thing was, I brought a 3.5% ABV Mild this year, so I had the lighter beer (abv wise, by my calculation, about breakeven on calories).
     
  12. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Savant (1,207) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    When they first started Blue Moon, I wondered how it would boom if they advertised it as hard as they did Coors Light. Since they started advertising it hard, guess what, it has boomed. Why it took them so long to figure this out is beyond me.
     
  13. kelvarnsen

    kelvarnsen Pundit (944) Nov 30, 2011 Canada (ON)

    I agree with this. I mean sure the big guys are losing market share to craft brewers. But they are probably losing as much, if not more to people drinking more wine or hard liquor, or people just drinking less either for health (weight loss) or financial reasons. I mean if money is tight for a lot of people, one easy thing to cut is going out to restaurants or bars and having a drink. I get the sense that those kinds of cuts are going to hurt the big brewers more than little guys.

    Plus as for why coors doens't try making new more flavourful products? I get the sense that they are so big that things like improving plant safety or maybe increasing efficiency (like beer produced per shift) company wide probably has a bigger effect on overall profitability than launching a new product that actually competes with craft beers. Especially since doing those things doesn't have the same risk attached that launching a new product would, especially one that could cost a ton of money to develop and market and then could just as easily fail (especially in the eyes of shareholders, who just want to make sure they get a good return).
     
  14. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    I guess you'll have to take that up with the poster- he claimed he bases popularity on "taste" (?).

     
  15. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Savant (1,207) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    If taste == ranking on BA, then I think that goes along well with "hype". But yeah, not how I would use the word popularity, but I think I knew what he meant (although Im not sure he does).
     
  16. Unholygoalie

    Unholygoalie Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2009 California

    I don't care how many opinions you get, they don't all combine forces to make a "fact".
     
  17. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Savant (1,207) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    The numerical ranking is a fact. Whether it is right is an entirely different beast.
     
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  18. JediMatt

    JediMatt Zealot (549) Jun 18, 2010 Iowa

    No, that numerical ranking is an average of numbers based on personal preferences. That's a far-cry from a FACT.
     
  19. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Savant (1,207) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    That is exactly what a fact is.

    FACT: The average rating of a bunch of people's personal preferences for Heady Topper (chosen basically at random from the top beers) is 4.61.

    FACT: Its ranking, under the "Top Beers - Popular" criteria is 4.

    I dont see how you can say that those arent facts.
     
  20. StuartCarter

    StuartCarter Pundit (922) Apr 25, 2006 Alabama

    I really don't understand the antipathy to Sam Adams. They make fantastic beers that are very true to style, and they are available pretty much everywhere. Rating Sam Adams poorly, or dismissing them, simply because they sell a lot of beer is utter stupidity.
     
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