Price increases. Is this the bubble buster?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Mebuzzard, Feb 25, 2014.

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What is the biggest threat to the Craft Beer "bubble"

  1. Sub-par beer

    21.2%
  2. Pricing

    23.8%
  3. Finite Resources

    4.5%
  4. Market Saturation

    37.1%
  5. Buyouts/Takeovers

    6.5%
  6. In-Fighting (trademarks, loss of comradery, mudslinging)

    2.0%
  7. Other...

    4.8%
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  1. Biff_Tannen

    Biff_Tannen Initiate (0) Dec 8, 2013 Missouri

    Nope. Just describing business in general in every industry
     
  2. EJLinneman

    EJLinneman Pundit (944) Mar 2, 2009 New Jersey
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    I wish that I could have picked two because I feel that market saturation and sub par beer can go hand in hand. It's great that there's more choices, but not every new brewery is going to offer something good. The more new breweries, the less shelf/tap space for quality beers. In the long term the market could wind up correcting itself by purging the breweries that aren't offering anything good and putting them out of business. I'm all for supporting local businesses, but I'm not going to support it if the quality isn't there.
     
  3. atone315

    atone315 Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2008 Wisconsin

    tl;dr


    What bubble?
     
  4. LambicPentameter

    LambicPentameter Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2012 Nebraska

    Beer is not a commodity. Especially not craft beer.
     
  5. thekidsarealright1

    thekidsarealright1 Initiate (0) Jan 6, 2014 California

    for BAers it is...I get his overall point though
     
  6. Mebuzzard

    Mebuzzard Grand Pooh-Bah (4,302) May 19, 2005 Colorado
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    I agree, it's not really a bubble. The point, though, is to examine the growth of the craft beer industry and opine as to how it will continue to grow, or if not, what will contribute to its decline.
    And pricing isn't always up to the brewery; as noted above the distributor holds some sway. So, too, do retailers/restaurants. And suppliers. And the tax man.
     
  7. michman

    michman Pundit (751) Oct 14, 2005 Illinois

    i think the saturation of the market is a concern. there are a lot of new breweries and brewpubs popping up. a lot of them brew shit beer too. being interested in new brews im apt to try a lot of them and eventually seeing myself say fuck it after being disappointed time and time again. then i suppose just going back to the tried and true classics. this hasnt happened yet...but ive thrown away a lot of money on beer that just isnt up to par lately.
     
  8. tommyguz

    tommyguz Pooh-Bah (2,534) May 14, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    This is true, as the locals always rave about how great there beer is (some are, some aren't) we see that on here sometimes with the battles between regions in value of their beer. But your point being it does seem pretty trendy to go to your local place for local beer. I don't necessarily know if that will fade though....
     
  9. Titanic_Ant

    Titanic_Ant Initiate (0) Feb 9, 2014 Michigan

    I think as the market share grows, so does consumer taste. Out of the big three in alcohol (Beer/Wine/Spirits), beer is a shrinking market, but the craft sector is only continuing to grow within that market share. With that being said, I fear market saturation with poor product made by people trying to only make a quick buck in a growing market, rather than having a passion for brewing. Living in Grand Rapids, Michigan, I've seen many breweries where that is incredibly evident. I'm not going to name any names for the sake of transparency, but it feels like a lot of the newer breweries around here that didn't start organically or at least, started small, but opened with HUGE production and flashy advertisement are only driving the quality of product down.
     
  10. BrettHead

    BrettHead Initiate (0) Sep 18, 2010 Nebraska

    Other: There is no bubble to burst
     
  11. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Damn it really hurts me to have to agree with you completely on this:slight_smile:
     
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  12. LambicPentameter

    LambicPentameter Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2012 Nebraska

    Actually, I also agree that there is no bubble. But it's not because beer is a commodity, which is defined as being essentially undifferentiated based on who is producing it. To consumers, milk is milk is milk no matter what farm it is coming from. Same with ground beef. Or bottled water.

    But beer is highly differentiated by producer. And the prices on beers--in spite of being unfavorable to many that post on BA--are still being driven by basic supply and demand, rather than speculation.
     
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  13. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    I think the market will change on the whole and will become more stratified. There will be Lagunitas, Sierra Nevada, New Belgium and their ilk as the major players. Troegs, Founders, Bells and similarly large, but not enormous breweries will be another tier. Between these two groups, I can see 80% or so of retail shelf space being filled.

    What happens next is the way we buy beer changes. We'll see a shift to small, hyper-local breweries that subsist on one or a combination of factors:
    - Quality and freshness
    - Local Appeal
    - Only game in town

    There will be more Hill Farmsteads, Treehouses, Peekskills, etc. People will travel for their beer more if the distance and price is reasonable. At least at Treehouse, it wasn't always just the geekiest beer geeks. It's a lot of locals there to get some fresh, tasty beer.

    Bubble? No real bubble, but I don't the market is going to remain the same.
     
  14. keithmurray

    keithmurray Pooh-Bah (2,967) Oct 7, 2009 Connecticut
    Pooh-Bah

    really appreciating this thread. Lots of good contributions to the discussion without it degenerating into an insult/sarcasm fest!
     
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