Souring a not so great batch

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  1. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    Does anyone have any strong warnings/objections to this idea?

    Take a batch, any batch, that turned out less than desirable. I'm not talking totally ruined, but maybe it's a little oxidized, maybe I bottled it before the yeast fully cleaned up after itself, maybe it's a Wee Heavy 8.4% that had no hops for balance to speak of whatsoever... You get the idea.

    I'm thinking about opening bottles and gently pouring the beer down the side of a fermenter. Also, for more volume, fermentables, and body, making a couple of gallons of wort from mainly wheat malt, no hops added. Then I'd add Brett, or lacto, or pedio. I have no experience with any of them, but I'd like to start. I'm also concerned about infecting my materials. Can no amount of sanitizer kill it?

    Cheers!
     
  2. ericj551

    ericj551 Pooh-Bah (1,638) Apr 29, 2004 Canada (AB)
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    I think it kind of depends what's wrong with the beer. The flaws are still going to be present in the soured beer. In the case of the Wee Heavy, it might work since you can blend in wort with more hops (or not, since it's a sour beer). I don't have any experience with making sours, so take that with a grain of salt.

    As for the bugs, they can be killed, the worry is more with plastic and other porous brewing materials. The bugs are pretty hard to get out of plastics, so I think the idea is to have a separate set of tubing, racking canes, etc. I wouldn't worry too much about glass though.
     
  3. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    While not true 100% of the time I think the statement of "Garbage in, Garbage out" may be able to be applied here. If you want to brew a sour, I would recommend building the recipe as a sour from the ground up.

    @barfdiggs has a bit of an experiment going with what I believe started out as a barleywine but he decided to take a few turns with it. Maybe he can chime in with the progress on that.
     
  4. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    I won a bronze on a dunkelweizen that I used an old 3068 car ion that fermented it tart. I chucked some ECY04 (IIRC) at it and got the medal in sours as a Flanders Red.
     
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  5. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    The barleywine-mild hybrid soured with ECY Bugfarm VI and dosed with D2 Candi syrup and aged on home grown peaches, turned out awesome, and just won a gold in a hybrid fruit and vegetable/herb/spice beer category in a local comp. It was a case of thinking about the ingredients I had on hand as well as the beers I had to work with and my end goal, and of course, some luck :slight_smile:
     
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  6. sarcastro

    sarcastro Savant (1,133) Sep 20, 2006 Michigan

    I would say if it depends. If there is a major flaw like oxidation, souring wont make it any better, and the process of pouring out the beer might only make it worse.. If it is something like bland, or underattenuated beer, then souring might be beneficial, but dumping out each individual beer might oxidize it. Be wary of using soft/scratch plastics, it is possible that no ammount of sanitizing will be able to get rid of all the bugs. I wouldnt use a plastic fermenter with a sour and non sour beers.
     
  7. firstthenlast

    firstthenlast Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2013 Massachusetts

    The problem in the case of wee heavy is killing the bugs with the abv
     
  8. ericj551

    ericj551 Pooh-Bah (1,638) Apr 29, 2004 Canada (AB)
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    Good point. In that case, the OP would have to be sure to pick the right bugs for the ABV.
     
  9. skiofpinsk

    skiofpinsk Initiate (0) Jun 18, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Personally, I would deal with the beer as is since it's already bottled and try to learn from my mistakes. I've also had homebrews age very well when I wasn't particularly happy with when fresh.

    Also, if you don't have any experience with "wild" yeasts and bacteria, I wouldn't count on using a beer you consider flawed as a good starting point. It might turn out well, or might turn out worse. With the time you wait on such an experiment, I would much rather start with something that I feel good about.
     
  10. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    Yeah... I guess I'll abandon this idea... Thanks guys
     
  11. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    I'm about to do the same with a saison that the OG came out way too high and the abv ended at like 9.3%. I'm going to make a few gallons of weak wort and add in 8oz of maltodextrin and see what happens. The beer sucks now so nothing wagered nothing lost.

    Good luck in whatever you decide. Only difference is my beer is kegged so I'll just siphon back to a better bottle. Still risk oxidation at any extent
     
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