What did I do wrong? And is it too late to fix it?

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  1. BreakfastStout

    BreakfastStout Zealot (727) Oct 15, 2013 Michigan

    My home brewed black IPA has been bottled conditioned for 2 weeks now. I popped the top on one last Saturday and it was delicious with perfect carbonation and a generous head. The two bottles (refrigerated for an hour) that I opened today foamed out of the bottle as soon as I opened them. I've got 40 or so unopened bottles. Please don't tell me they're all going to foam out when I open all of them. HELP!!
     
  2. cskollmann

    cskollmann Zealot (501) Apr 30, 2008 Massachusetts

    How much priming sugar did you use? Getting them all cold now will help.
     
  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    How much priming sugar did you use?
    How many actual gallons of beer made it into the bottling bucket?
    How thoroughly did you mix the priming sugar with the beer?
     
  4. BreakfastStout

    BreakfastStout Zealot (727) Oct 15, 2013 Michigan

    I followed the Brewers Best directions and dissolved the sugar package that came with the kit. The sugar package that came with the ingredient package was based on a 5 gallon batch. I messed up and only ended up with slightly more than 4 gallons of beer. Is that enough to throw off the carbonation? I moved the rest of the bottles to my cellar just now (50 degrees). Do I need to get aggressive with this batch and put 'em all in the fridge to completely shut down the bottle conditioning?
     
  5. BreakfastStout

    BreakfastStout Zealot (727) Oct 15, 2013 Michigan

    I ended up with 43 12 oz beers. The priming sugar was thoroughly mixed into the beer before filling thee bottles.
     
  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yes, carbonation levels are very sensitive to volume. If this was a typical 5 ounces of corn sugar that some kits come with and you used it with 4 gallons of beer, you probably ended up with almost 3.2 volumes of CO2 on average. That's a bit high. Not really high enough to cause gushers all by itself, but if any of the bottles got more sugar than the others, you might get gushers. Or dirty bottles could have nucleation points to cause gushers, in combination with relatively high CO2 levels.

    I would keep the bottles refrigerated and in a safe place. I would also open very carefully.

    Here is a calculator. It's one of many on the 'net. You should use one.

    http://hbd.org/cgi-bin/recipator/recipator/carbonation.html
     
  7. BreakfastStout

    BreakfastStout Zealot (727) Oct 15, 2013 Michigan

    Thanks. I know now that I have watch my ratios very closely. I should have shut down the bottle conditioning last weekend. Lesson learned.
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Just so you know... normally, bottle conditioning is not something that needs to be "shut down" at all. i.e. if you get the priming right and evenly distributed, carbonation should be allowed to continue to completion.
     
  9. BreakfastStout

    BreakfastStout Zealot (727) Oct 15, 2013 Michigan

    How do you make sure you distribute evenly? Other than mixing with a sanitized utensil, is there a better way? Also when I siphoned the beer out of my secondary fermenter and into the bottles, I wanted to make sure I got every drop, so there was some residue at the bottom of the fermenter that was siphoned into these first few beers I opened. The rest of them a pretty residue free. Maybe that's part of the issue.
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Nope. Gentle thorough stirring is the way to do it.

    But did you say you bottled from your secondary fermenter? Trub in the bottles could be nucleation points. Also, note that if you mix sugar into your secondary, you're resuspending the stuff that has been settling out. Most people rack from either primary or secondary to a bottling bucket, where the beer is mixed with the sugar, leaving most of the trub behind.

    ETA: Are you sure fementation was finished before you bottled?
     
  11. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    What was your OG and FG?

    What did the recipe say you should finish at.. Chance are, I'd probably say around 1.018-1.020 if you did extract.
     
  12. mattcrill

    mattcrill Pooh-Bah (1,845) Mar 16, 2004 Ohio
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    When I bottled, I would mix the sugar into a small amount of sanitized (boiled then cooled) water. Turning it into liquid helped ensure better distribution.

    I also had a carbonation problem similar to yours. I put the beer in the freezer and got it as cold as possible before opening it. Then, I'd wait for a while for the beer to warm up. It was a PITA but it was better than losing the beer to a gusher. It was a good beer...just too much priming sugar.
     
  13. BreakfastStout

    BreakfastStout Zealot (727) Oct 15, 2013 Michigan

    Yeah fermentation was done. I moved from primary to secondary fermenter after 1 week. I then moved from secondary to bottling bucket after second week of fermentation. OG was 1.064. FG was 1.014. I'm calculating approximately 5.25 ABV. I'm sure the issue is ratios. Too little beer, too much priming sugar. I'm going to try the freeze method Matt suggested. Thanks again.
     
  14. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    This should be included in the basic homebrewing kit:
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    The standard 5 ounce bag of sugar should come with a warning note: "Do not use all of this" . . . would make a lot of first batches easier. You really want to use the carb calculator and measure your sugar with a scale, the one above is available on Amazon for 8 bucks. When you start buying hops in bulk you'll use it . . . when you treat your water you'll use it to measure chemicals . . . can even be used as a postal scale.
     
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  15. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Did you measure your FG once, and then wait a couple days before moving it to secondary? Or did you just assume the recipes directions?

    Not saying thats the issue, but for the future, it's not a time based system. Yeast don't work on your time, or someones directions.

    Chances are you didn't adjust for boil off rate, had too little wort, has some losses along the way of transferring and trub, and like you said, had too little beer, added all the sugar they provided (which is usually too much by the way). You overcarbed the beers, and the one you had early, was carbed enough and assumed done while everything else was still carbing up even more.

    I'd get them cold, sooner than later, and I'd also keep them somewhere where a mess wouldn't be a big deal incase something happens.
     
  16. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Did you stir the sugar directly into the beer? If so, it may not have dissolved fully,leading to in inconsistent carb levels. You may have grabbed a bottle w/ higher that received higher than average sugar. In addition to using a priming calculator to determine how much sugar to use, first dissolve it in a small amount(1-2 cups) of boiling water. Allow it to cool, covered, then add to the beer as you fill the bottling bucket.


    Also fwiw I stopped using corn sugar. If that's what comes with kit, go ahead and use it, but if you are putting ingredients together yourself, you'll find there is little if any difference between the corn sugar and your basic table sugar.
     
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  17. firstthenlast

    firstthenlast Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2013 Massachusetts

    After an hour in the fridge were they actually cold? I way over primed a beer a while back. I think it was 4 atm. If it was ice cold when drunken it didn't foam over. I would give it 5 minute once open to de carb a bit. It did taste a bit off, kind of metallic from the carbonic acid
     
  18. jncastillo87

    jncastillo87 Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2013 Texas

    Thats more like 6.56% ABV
     
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  19. BreakfastStout

    BreakfastStout Zealot (727) Oct 15, 2013 Michigan

    Damn, you're right! I missed a digit... Good new on my beer. The next few bottles were just fine after making sure they were cold for a few hours. What a relief... And very tasty.
     
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  20. jncastillo87

    jncastillo87 Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2013 Texas

    Good to hear !
     
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