Looking for recipe input - Imperial honey nut brown

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by CurtFromHershey, Mar 6, 2014.

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  1. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    Greetings fellow BA'ers,

    As a frame of reference, I brew in a bag, have only 2 solo batches under my belt, have brewed with a group of guys from work numerous times before that. My first batch was an extract with steeping grains IPA which was a good learning experience (no comment on the beer...). Second batch was a hoppy APA modeled after the ingredient list of Great Lakes Alchemy Hour DIPA which turned out pretty damn well.

    That said, I'd really like to make batch #3 as good as possible as I'll be sharing it with some old friends at a golf outing in early May. I want to brew a brown ale with higher than typical gravity and very noticeable honey and nut flavors. I also intend to split the batch at bottling and add coffee to maybe 2 gal of the 5.5 gallon batch. Brew day scheduled for this Saturday, LHBS run probably after work Fri.

    Here's what I got so far; any and all input would be greatly appreciated.

    Honey Nut Brown Ale – 5.5 gal into carboy
    1.073 Target OG

    Grain Bill
    12.5 lbs Marris Otter
    1 lb Honey Malt
    1 lb Victory
    .5 lbs Flaked Oats (cereal mash)
    .25 lbs Pale Chocolate

    Hop Schedule
    FWH .75 oz Premiant
    15 1 oz Mt Hood
    0 1 oz Mt Hood

    Mash 151* for 60 minutes
    Whirlfloc -3
    WLP013, cultured from batch #2 bottle dregs, multi step starter (in progress and looking good)
    63* ambient fermentation temp through active fermentation, 68* after
    Fermcap in primary

    Thanks!
     
  2. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    The recipe's solid:

    Flaked oats are gelatinized. They won't need a cereal mash, but they will need to go into the mash tun, as far as I know.

    I also think that 1 pound of honey malt is a lot for the grainbill. It's personal preference. It'd be a bit too sweet for me.

    You're getting into a big beer here. You'll want to ferment a little bit cooler to reduce the booziness.
     
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  3. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    Much appreciated on all accounts, inchrisin.

    Is there any harm to a cereal mash for flaked oats? I got generic instant oats from the grocery store which certainly look like flaked oats, but the ingredients list calls them rolled oats. I wanna make sure i don't stab myself in the foot.

    I'm looking for a sweeter beer since I've been on a huge hop kick and am looking for a break.

    My next coldest available ambient temp is in the low 50's, so I'll either keep the carboy in some water or rotate some ice packs during peak activity at 63*. I appreciate the advice. I'm definitely in the market for a used chest freezer and adding temp controls in the near future though.

    Thanks again
    Curt
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You don't really need a cereal mash for your instant oats (or any rolled/flaked oats). I can't think of any reason it would do any harm though.
     
  5. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    Thanks, I did not realize that rolled oats could be mashed regularly. I will omit that step and RDWHAHB :-)
     
  6. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Have you used honey malt before? Or better yet, in that amount?

    I did a brown ale just recently, and used some honey malt in a 5.5 gallon batch. I used 4 ounces along with some some amount of a darker crystal and it's sweet and has that honey sweetness balanced in the recipe with everything else..

    I personally could see that beer drinking pretty sickly sweet myself.
     
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  7. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    If you want a malt forward beer get rid of your flame out addition.
     
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  8. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    I've used a lb of crystal in a beer before, but never more than .25 lb of honey malt in a beer. I didn't want it to get lost in a bigger beer. Would you suggest backing off on the honey malt or lowering the mash temp to avoid cloying sweetness? I had picked 151* as it seemed a lot of people were getting good attenuation around there.

    I was thinking it might help balance out some of the honey sweetness. I'll definitely yank it if I decide to lower the honey malt qty


    Thanks for all the input so far, you guys rock.
     
  9. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    More bittering hops would knock the sweetness down. Finishing hops not so much.
     
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  10. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I would cut the honey malt back myself. Half pound is PLENTY. Keep your mash temp where ya got it, I like a brown to have some body to it still, but if you want drier, then by all means.

    If you are worried about sweetness by adding more hops, I think you work backwards, and think about knocking the sweetness down with your grist and your attenuation, before you go hopping up a brown out of control. Not that your hopping schedule it out of control by any means.
     
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  11. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    I agree with others suggestion to back off the honey malt, 1# is way too much

    As for the oats, a cereal mash is never needed for oats or for wheat, as the gelatinization temperature for both is below normal mashing temps
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    I think your recipe looks relatively solid, personally though I would add ~0.25# of special roast to increase the nuttiness, and add a tiny bit of a sourdough flavor (and drop the oats)
     
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  12. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    Thanks, I really appreciate all of the suggestions. I'm going to back off to 1/2# on the honey malt and replace with base malt.

    Do you think I should bump up the mash temp a degree or two to compensate for the loss of unfermentables?
     
  13. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    This sounds aeesome. Please let us know how it turns out
     
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  14. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    My brown I mashed at 152*, and think I went from 1.062-1.013 with US05 fermented nice and cool, like 64-65*F.

    It's got plenty of body, I don't know if I'd want any more than what I have here, but thats all subjective. I like a brown to be a bit thinner, because in my mind, if I wanted more body, I'd go to a porter or stout.
     
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  15. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    Tasty - Will do.

    Fat - Noted. I'll probably shoot for 152 too

    Brewing starts bright and early on Saturday!
     
  16. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Enjoy it.

    Browns aren't something I go out of my way to buy, drink, or for that matter even brew. However, my most recipe brown ale, is so damn good, with a little more feedback from neighbors, co workers, and family, I think I might have a year round "house" beer to keep in the pipeline for a keg when something kicks. Works well, as it can sit for a while before going on tap if need be, or be bottled and saved for a while.
     
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  17. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    Whats the final recipe gonna look like??
     
  18. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    13# MO
    .5# Honey Malt
    Mash 152*

    Everything else same as first post.

    I'm keeping the FO addition because YOLO. Also going to hold off on the special roast for this batch... I'd like to test it out in a milder beer first.
     
  19. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Ryane beat me to it, but I'd definitely recommend a small special roast addition for added nut flavor.
     
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  20. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Oh and my personal preference would be to use pale chocolate malt vs regular chocolate malt in a nut brown.
     
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