Berliner time.. Bring me your best.

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  1. dblab33

    dblab33 Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Michigan

    1 lb / gallon. They were really sweet and tart with an extremely bright red color.
     
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  2. mklever42

    mklever42 Initiate (0) Apr 28, 2012 Colorado

    How do you keep your wort steady around 110 for days? Do you keep it on a heating element?
     
  3. dblab33

    dblab33 Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Michigan

    I believe @FATC1TY just lets it slowly drop to room temp, which does work but can take a bit more time to sour. I like to keep mine pretty close to 110 and do so using a Fermwrap (http://morebeer.com/products/fermwrap-heater.html) and a blanket.
     
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  4. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Thats the thing, I decided to see if I could get some stable/reliable results by not going that route. So I let it cool naturally with the handful of the lacto covered grain to room temp. It took me 6 days to reach the bracingly refreshing sourness.

    Works better for my schedule that way, so I can mash it one weekend, and boil it the next.
     
  5. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Correct! Turned out awesome. About to do another batch to sit around for a while with some brett and toss some good fresh fruit of the spring season in it.
     
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  6. mklever42

    mklever42 Initiate (0) Apr 28, 2012 Colorado

    Interesting. I like it. So in essence, you mash like normal, sparge like normal then collect your wort, add some non-crushed grain and let it sit for a week. The do a quick boil, pitch yeast and go about the day as usual. Yes?
     
  7. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Sounds like you got it figured out!

    Just be sure to collect enough wort the first go around to get you whatever batch size you want. Account for a tiny bit of losses like you normally would through the brewhouse. IE; kettle loss, fermentation trub, etc.

    Taste it as you go. I found that by the 3rd day I think it was, I was getting some good sour notes. Make sure you purge with co2, or pour in a little bottled seltzer water each time you open the fermenter. I'd avoid buckets with questionable sealing power as well.

    But yeah, it's pretty close to set it and forget it.
     
  8. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    I do brew in a bag ,under the scenarios described above my brew pot would not only need to be clean but also sanitized if the wort isn't being boiled for several days or not at all. Is this correct to assume?
     
  9. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    No, not really. Clean brew gear is always a must, but sanitized before hand, no.

    Mash it like you would, and put it in a sanitized carboy. Obviously when brewing things like sours, and wild stuff, you run the risk of an issue.. But as a whole, the hot temp of the mash and infusion will kill off most of the junk and what little bit of lacto and wild stuff on the grain you pitch is really just a gamble.
     
  10. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Okay.. so second keg of this already..

    Sweet jesus, I drink it like it's 2AM and I've crawled out of bed to the bathroom to slurp up water from the sink in my sleep..

    What are some good fruits I can freeze and then toss into the primary when fermentation is nearing the end?

    What about french pressing? I've got some organic raspberries that were turned to baby food, and my kiddos don't like raspberries that much. I wonder if that would work.. in 1 oz cubes at the moment.
     
  11. Theortiz01

    Theortiz01 Initiate (0) Jun 7, 2013 Texas

    I've done peaches in the past, and a buddy of mine did sour cherries with great success. I wouldn't french press or puree (I know from experience:wink:), just cut your fruit, freeze it then rack onto it. Can't go wrong with raspberries either.

    I'll be making a berliner this weekend... luckily, I have a really awesome yeast blend that I just used for a gose that should work well with this BW. (I did a starter using Bruery and Jester King dregs)

    Post a few pics, would love to see your finished product.
     
  12. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    How long were you grain to glass?
     
  13. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    It's a slower process for me, as it works for my schedule, but it's around 3 weeks. 1 week to sour, 1 week to ferment, and then I do the set it and forget it, and carb it in the keg for a week.
     
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  14. jono0101

    jono0101 Initiate (0) Aug 1, 2011 Missouri

    I am planning on mashing using this process this weekend. I'm pretty excited to see how it turns out!
     
  15. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    I'm also doing a sour wort Berliner this weekend too. Thanks @FATC1TY !
     
  16. Gtreid

    Gtreid Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2008 Florida

    Anybody use wlp360 Berliner blend? For my first attempt at this style, I'm doing a 100* sour mash and was considering using this yeast. Plan to sour for 3-4 days in my cooler at around 100-105. Would this yeast impart too much sourness considering it contains lacto? Or should I just use us-05?
     
  17. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Sour mash all the way. Mash in around 154 F, igloo cooler if you got one, let sit 72 hrs with lid on. Make sure you pre-sanitize the mash tun well & don't open it until your ready to mash out. I suggest no boil and just add a good yeast starter after you rack to the fermenter, I used German ale. I've done a few this way and liked the beers a lot, especially around the 2-3 month mark.
     
  18. jivex5k

    jivex5k Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2011 Florida

    This thread is awesome, thanks for the info to everyone who contributed!
     
  19. dblab33

    dblab33 Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Michigan

    Glad you are enjoying this. We went through a keg of raspberry in just over a week. I bottled some and only have maybe 4-5 left.

    You can use that raspberry to French press if you want as long as they still taste good. Put them in, fill with a bit more beer than what would cover the fruit. Let it sit for ~30-45 min, top off with more beer (so it'll be more carbonated), gently stir, then very slowly press. You can press hard if you want because you don't care about releasing pectin. It'll give you a pretty decent idea as to what a full batch could taste like.

    For a whole batch, freeze the fruit, toss in a bucket or carboy, then rack onto it. You can cut up or gently mash raspberries, but it's fine to leave them whole as well. Even a puree would likely work just fine. It's tough for me right now because nothing is in season here. We will be buying a lot of fruit this summer to vacuum seal and freeze so that we can keep batches going all year round.
     
  20. dblab33

    dblab33 Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Michigan

    Non-fruited version for me is about 2 weeks. Last batch of raspberry was 4 weeks.
     
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