Bayernbiere Bought and Drunk

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  1. spartan1979

    spartan1979 Pundit (970) Dec 29, 2005 Missouri

    I wish I could describe beers as well as you.
     
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  2. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    Thank you very much for the compliment. I spend a decent amount of time on these reviews. I think about an hour or more is usual. I simply have read a lot of other reviews and used ideas and words I saw. Also, I try to really taste the beer in different parts of the tongue, an exercise which allows me to really appreciate the subtleties of different flavors that I normLly don't notice when I drink it in one quick swallow. I find everyone has a different palate and I'm simply describing what I believe I taste. Now, some of the descriptions I use may be from having degrees in English & German Lit., and an active imagination, but also from my experience as a language teacher where I try to explain grammar in ways that are easily understandable intellectually and emotionally. I believe anyone can write good reviews if you take the time to swish the beer around in certain parts of the tongue for a long enough time until some idea of what the tongue is sensing pops into the mind. By doing the swishing thing and really searching for flavors, I believe I've begun to train my palate to be aware of subtle flavors I normally would miss or basically not register. Often, as we all well know, a beer can taste different depending on a million environmental or psychological factors; however, one thing I do is ALWAYS to the review with beer at room temperature. That way, you don't miss any of the subtle malt or other flavors that cold cover up. Also, a warmer beer can't hide any flaws. Also, I have certain prejudices, such as finding a complex flavor profile far more interesting that one note wonders, something I think many Amrican IPAs are guilty of. A complexly built flavor spectrum in a beer allows you to continue my discover new things in it every time you drink it, allowing maybe one flavor to come to fore depending on what you've eaten before, or what mood you're in. Anything you perceive with your senses, whether it's food, music, what we read or even the clothing we wear, all of that is filtered through the uniqueness of your experiences that what you perceive has as much to do with the thing being perceived as it does with the enjoyer. I just wish I had a better memory for what I've tasted before and were able to compare better past taste experience with present ones.

    I hope this is a small insight in how I (and I believe anyone can do) do the reviews & why I enjoy writing these reviews. It's not only for the likes, or any praise I garner, though I really love and crave both; rather, I do it as a Buddhist-like exercise to really get to know and understand the beers I'm drinking. I learn so much about why I like or dislike certain beers, and that in itself is worth the effort.
     
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  3. seanyfo

    seanyfo Pooh-Bah (1,718) Jan 2, 2006 Scotland
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    Wonderfully described.

    This is why I love beer but don't put much value in my own past reviews. I love how different factors such as the environment we drink it in, who we drink with all the way to the serving temp can change the perception of the experience. I can't count the amount of times I've looked at a past review and thought am I drinking the same beer? One thing that always elevates the perception is the environment I.e a good excuse to find myself in Bamberg :slight_smile:
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Tony, thanks for taking the time to document your ‘technique’. Since I have been able to witness your abilities in action I can attest to your conscientiousness.

    One aspect which you somewhat alluded to, but in my opinion is a critical aspect, is how the human brain plays into to entirety of the beer appreciation process. There is no doubt that the ‘sensors’ of tongue/mouth/olfactory play into the appreciation of beer but the ability of the brain to process all of the various inputs and create a flavor/aroma impression is critical to the overall task at hand. We all have our own abilities from a ‘sensor’ perspective but the brain processing is unique to all of us as well.

    I think where you have superior skills is the ability to ‘translate’ the sensors and brain processing of flavors/aromas into words. There really are not too many other BA folks that I can think of that have your skills in this regards.
    You would likely be interested in reading in the magazine Zymurgy the column of Commercial Calibration where they ask four BJCP judges to evaluate two commercial beers per issue (in the last issue it was Dave Houseman, Beth Zangari, Scott Bickham and Gordon Strong) where they evaluated Yards Brawler and Nola Brown Ale. These folks are very perceptive and they also have the skills to articulate their perceptions.

    Cheers!

    Jack
     
  5. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    As always, practice, practice, practice...

    Joking aside Tony, you might check out becoming a German/American Bier Sommilier at Doemens. I attended Doemens from 1996-1998 and Dr Stempfl is a great teacher and reference. He and Doemens are known globally for what they do. But cheap, it ain't.
     
  6. -N8

    -N8 Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2014 Germany

    A way too much alcohol taste for me. I love Faust's eisbock, but struggled to make it all the way thru this one.

    Disappointed.

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  7. Beric

    Beric Initiate (0) Jun 1, 2013 Massachusetts

    I thought similar when I had this one, but I warmed up to it eventually. I guess I viewed it more as a liqueur than a beer, and I split it with a friend and sipped it over the course of an hour or so in big wine glasses. At 12% it's certainly not too big of a leap to viewing it more as a liqueur.
     
  8. Beric

    Beric Initiate (0) Jun 1, 2013 Massachusetts

    I don't have such pretty pictures to go along with my most recent Bayernbier experience, but I just had the Ayinger Weizenbock for the first time tonight and I was really impressed.

    My only other weizenbockbiere before this were Aventinus and Hopfenweisse, so this was a pretty big turn in the other direction.

    What kept striking me when having this beer was that, if there were to be such a thing as an "imperial" hefeweizen (not being defined in terms of ridiculous overhopping or whatnot) this would really be it. It didn't taste all that different than a hefeweizen, but was sweeter. I did pick up the same white wine/pear notes in the Ayinger weizenbock, so there's clear continuity between both beers.

    I'll be having a Vitus later this week to compare. Should be another good treat.

    While I think the many divisions in styles is something ridiculed on this site, I'm not opposed to more accurate typologies of beers, since they do vary quite a bit.

    The differences between Ayinger Weizenbock and Aventinus made me think that Aventinus is more of a "Dunkler Weizenbock" and the Ayinger more of a "Heller Weizenbock". Either that or Aventinus is an "Imperial Dunkelweizen" and Ayinger is an "Imperial Hefeweizen." I think that there are enough major differences between the two beers that some differentiation in nomenclature is merited, though this site doesn't make a formal distinction between them.
     
  9. -N8

    -N8 Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2014 Germany


    I'll try it again for sure. Maybe it just wasn't the best beer choice following a 3 hr vigorous mtb ride?
     
  10. Beric

    Beric Initiate (0) Jun 1, 2013 Massachusetts

    Yeah, that'd probably do it. I had it in the dead of winter during a snowstorm, so the setting was a bit more relaxed haha
     
  11. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    Maybe you should have added some lemon soda and made a Radler. :wink:
     
  12. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    I find Vitus to be very dialed back in terms of fire and potency...kind of like your experience with the Ayinger. When they first launched Vitus in the Spring of '07, my wife and I did a side-by-side with it and their normal hefeweizen. While certainly distinguishable, it's not the large jump up in potency like say...Aventinus or Moonglow.
    I really appreciate that. While their distribution is really spotty over here, I highly recommend the Plank heller weizenbock, too. It's another one that is kicked up a little, but isn't super-strong.
     
  13. -N8

    -N8 Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2014 Germany

    errr.... niecht! That is an abomination.

    My usual post ride brew in the US was a La Cumbre IPA or a Oskar Blues Old Chub. Now days it's usually a weissbier.
     
  14. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    You prefer grapefruit soda?
     
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  15. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Maven (1,363) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    First time I had it, my thoughts mirrored yours above. It's a bit over-the-top for sure. Their Aventinus is really good, though.
     
  16. Beric

    Beric Initiate (0) Jun 1, 2013 Massachusetts

    I wonder how Aventinus would compare to a Schneider Weisse Dunkelweizen if they made one. I have a feeling that it'd be turned up a notch or two, but there would still be a clear relation between both beers.

    I've never seen Plank Heller Weizenbock, but I'll keep my eyes out for it!
     
  17. -N8

    -N8 Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2014 Germany

    Ah, Crew... this is another tasty treat and a great way to kickoff the evening of a 6 day holiday in Belgium tomorrow (Brussels and Bruges). Cheers all.

    CREW Republic X 2.0 Barley Wine
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  18. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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  19. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    I never got around to reviewing Pax Bräu's February beer, the From Asia with Love, Szechuan Style beer.
    I've already drunk two of the 1 L bottles, and I was lucky enough to get a third from Anderas Seufert at BrauKunstLive in exchange for giving him my home-brew.
    First, here's a picture of the bottle and the beer side-by-side:
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    And a close up of the bottle:
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    Notice the ingredients. First, the only hop was Cascade... nice. Emmer wheat, Bitter-orange peel, ginger, Szechuan pepper, Lemon grass and coriander. Very interesting, eh? Now, for malts, I'll tell you more while `i write this review.
    I really like the artwork, which looks like it was done by the same Manga artist as all the other cool labels. I don't know why more German beer companies don't make more interesting labels, especially the new craft brewers. To me, they seem to go for boring labels in a quest to achieve some respectability and levity or being taken super seriously. There's lots more going on here, like the words Kampai (cheers) in Chinese and the exploding glass of beer. Very light and playful.

    Notice the orange, chili pepper, and probably coriander and lemmon grass in the top right corner of the label.

    Now to the beer itself. Here's another picture as a close-up. It's 7.7%.
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    Appearance: It's almost bright orange, the color of a Märzen, with some tints of red and verging on amber, all of that under a white head which dissipates quickly.

    Aroma: Already.... WOW! I get a huge shot of peppery and chill smells, some huge grassy note that almost verge of medicinal or detergent-like... some sniffs make it good, some sniffs make it feel bad, but overall, quite a lot of complexity. Under that powerhouse of aroma, there's a lurking caramel malt, the signature of Münchnermalz. The aroma is just by itself a WOW moment to breathe in again and again, every time finding new armons that you just can't place.

    Flavor: Again, simply WOW.
    In the front: peppery flavors bite the tongue with a little chili, reminding me of a Thai food extravaganza over the front of my tongue. There's also some hop bitterness, but not much, and in fact, allow it linger on the front and you get a slight burning sensation much like eating red Thai chili.
    Middle: Finally it's starting to taste like beer with some caramel flavors on the side of the tongue and some lemon in the center of the tongue, too, but still lots of pepper and chili notes. You can also notice the alcohol here, feeling a slightly warming and also burning. Even though this beer is at least 2 months old, it's got a lot more flavours today than it did those two months ago! WOW.
    Back: Here comes some malts, caramel and such, quite sweet, but intermingled with pricks of peppery and chili feelings and flavours on the back of the tongue, too. It's almost a tie between sweet and spicy with which dominate. Together, these flavours are sublime. Instead of "sweet and sour," we have caramel sweet and spicy/piquante.
    Aftertaste: Mostly pepper and something burning slightly from spice's lingering in the background like an echo from the other parts of the tongue. Maybe that's the ginger there.

    Overall: WOW. WOW. WOW! It tastes like a Märzen beer dipped in spices and hot sauces, then squeezed out on the tongue with all flavours intermingling, coming to the fore, then fading in the background, again and again. Except for the aroma, the lemongrass wasn't noticeable, and Cascade hops were either blended so well or were simply flavours I found almost imperceptible. Nonetheless, it's a super-WOW beer that makes you want to come back for more and more. I wish I had a lot more of this beer unhand. I love this beer.

    What's even more amazing is that beer tastes much spicier, much more peppery, much more everything 2 months after it was brewed. In fact, it tastes twice as good and when I first got it in the beginning of February.
     
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  20. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    I forgot to mention he calls this beer a DOPPEL-WIT on the Bierkalender.
     
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