Is all fives a cardinal sin here?

Talk Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by hollyisaway, May 17, 2012.

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  1. hollyisaway

    hollyisaway Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2012 Maryland

    I can safely say my review of Springhouse's Big Gruesome is rare for me to give such high marks to, but I absolutely believe it defines the style it is trying to represent. It turns the imperial stout on its head, makes it accessible while complex, and is just an all around great beer.

    So I gave it straight fives, which I believe it deserves. Being new to the community though, I have to wonder how odd this is and if it is considered at all kosher to do. Any advice for the future, or stick with not finding flaws for the sake of altered review styles?

    The review:
    http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/16589/68730
     
  2. podunkparte

    podunkparte Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2009 Washington

    Our beer reviews are for fun. Even if it's not kosher for some people here, who cares? You think it's perfect? Then it's perfect. It's all subjective. Stand by what you think.
     
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  3. BeerSingh

    BeerSingh Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2009 India

    Nice avatar.
     
  4. Mebuzzard

    Mebuzzard Grand Pooh-Bah (4,290) May 19, 2005 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    It's good that you found a beer you love so much! Giving 5's is relative, really, and certainly no beer sin by itself.

    To me, peanut butter would have knocked off points. Even though that's what this specific beer boasts (I've never had it), it's not 'to style', and not worthy of 5's (aside from looks and overall--which I still use as a personal "like factor" indicator).
    To note: with over 1,500 reviews, I've never given a complete 5.0. Maybe I'm just finicky :rolling_eyes:
     
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  5. raynmoon

    raynmoon Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2011 Colorado

    It's hard to give a perfect score when you have to give points for every detail. The most delicious beers in the world could look horrendous (i.e. Heady Topper), so there goes some points haha.

    I think the closest I've come to beer becoming all fives was Lost Abbey's Serpent Stout. That beer looked unbelievable, smelled great, tasted great, smooth. But not all 5's.

    Here's a better question, what beer can take 5's in every category? Beats me...
     
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  6. hollyisaway

    hollyisaway Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2012 Maryland

    This was my major concern, with the peanut butter not being style representative. However, there is (to my knowledge anyway) no specialized category for alternative stouts like you see between vienna lagers and adjuncts, belgian pale ales and ipas vs british pales vs american, etc. Since the site has chosen to group it in that style, I can't say it's fair to punish the rating for something that doesn't yet have full recognition.
     
  7. Agold

    Agold Maven (1,287) Mar 13, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Don't see how it could be a cardinal sin to rate a beer 5s across the board. It may be frowned upon to do it often, but if you find a beer that you think deserves it, by all means do it.
     
  8. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    a) i doubt i'd agree that every category really soars to a 5, but

    b) if you thought every category was a 5, that's what you should give it. it doesn't matter if you're new.

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    re: "can it be representative of the style when it has peanut butter in it?" the so-called "american double stout" category seems to be trying to capture russian imperial stouts with zany shit in them like coffee, peppers, peanut butter, etc etc, so definitely. that's pretty much the point of that silly catch-all category.

    IMO, you're not looking for the platonic ideal of a given style (which is good, since such a thing doesn't exist--and shouldn't, since styles are fictions that border on arbitrary). you're looking for a beer that does what it's trying to do, well. if the beer is "john brewer's peanut stout," and the peanut is perfectly integrated, plus points for the peanut.
     
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  9. hollyisaway

    hollyisaway Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2012 Maryland

    I gotta agree with Pahn, and not just for the Suikoden love.

    Admittedly I have given (written here or reviewed in a notebook) not giving the best to some of the so-called best of the East Coast. Maybe it's a weakness for stouts and peanut butter, but I feel like Springhouse just nailed exactly what they wanted to do and make it an imperial stout.
     
  10. raynmoon

    raynmoon Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2011 Colorado

    What's the difference between a 4.5 and 5 anyway...
     
  11. hollyisaway

    hollyisaway Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2012 Maryland

    As a financial analysist and economic consultant, about 0.5.
     
  12. raynmoon

    raynmoon Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2011 Colorado

    Ah, geez. I might lose sleep over this.
     
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  13. Agold

    Agold Maven (1,287) Mar 13, 2010 Pennsylvania

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  14. hollyisaway

    hollyisaway Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2012 Maryland

    Well on a normal review it'd actually be .1. I don't know the equation for how it converts the 5 scale to the 100 scale, particularly due to non-perfect scores creating 100 ratings (PtY comes to mind).
     
  15. raynmoon

    raynmoon Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2011 Colorado

    I think taste, smell, and overall mass to about 75% of the score while look, feel come to about 25%. I've noticed the minor change in overall score if I change the look, feel number, but when I change a taste or smell it changes the overall drastically.
     
  16. hollyisaway

    hollyisaway Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2012 Maryland

    Huh. I bet it's posted somewhere on the site. If I could export a really high number of review beer(s) I could just run a solid regression, but hey.
     
  17. PaulQuinn

    PaulQuinn Initiate (0) May 27, 2011 Canada (BC)

    I think they consider the top ranking beer(s) to be 100 and go down from there, probably not on a linear scale.

    As for the main question. If you consider it a 5, then it's a 5. I myself you never give any beer a 5 because I can never know if there is another (or several) beer out there even better then this so that would be a 5 and not this. Maybe both should be 5 then, I don't know, but I like to leave the chance open. How many times I drank beers that didn't believe I could find another one better until I had the next one?
     
  18. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    I ranked one beer a 5 when I was new to reviewing but I did it honestly as I really thought there could be no better strong ale than Double Bastard. I've tried it numerous times since then, each time thinking to re-review it and be more accurate, but damn I love that beer so much I still can't imagine a strong ale improving on any of its characteristics.
     
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  19. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
    Society Pooh-Bah

    From the reviewing page:

    That said, I have 2 5s myself.
     
  20. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    Out of 323 hads (I don't review yet), I've given 11 5's. Some are against the grain but that is what makes preferences and opinions so great. I give a 5 when there is nothing about a beer I would change, or add/remove.
     
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