$4$ on reserve society beers?

$35.... But most on here will expect $25 lol

 

Well, if you're trading it for other desirable beers, they probably go for more than MRSP "on the streets" as well.

 

$35 for similarly limited beers. Unless you have high-demand beer (VSB, DB Hunah, Winefication, BVDL etc.), you should trade on the value you paid for your beer.

 

What streets?

 

http://*.com/?search="chocolate+rain"

 

Really glad there aren't any "streets" like that in my neighborhood!

 

Win so hard.

 

It's always interesting on how value is applied with the discounts. I usually don't do $4$ on the more sought after beers because there is an additional value placed on the beers by scarcity and demand. In most cases, this works out better for in-demand cheaper beers: See the BC variants. It tends to hurt the value versus cost of higher priced beers: See BT variants. Either way, I'd rather recognize the true values I perceive and trade accordingly.

However, if $4$ is insisted on, I would advocate MSRP. I don't care if you paid double for your Pliny bottle or if you know the shop owner and they gave you a discount, the bottle price is set by the brewery. Same thing goes with RS/HS beers. I don't care if you paid the $35 or the $70, I'm still getting the same bottle. And if we're looking for some standard, official way to place a value on them... MSRP is a third party (for the trade) setting that price. Discounts, coupons, etc, seem to move away from the intent of a $4$ system: Removing added, variable value to a trading system between two people who may have different opinions.

It seems like it would be as valid to count a bottle bought on the street at $70 as $70 of $4$ as it would be to count a discounted $35 as $35, even though MSRP is $40.

If you don't believe MSRP is an appropriate estimation, stop using the term $4$ and trying to justify what costs do and do not count. This is why we have people claiming the value of their time standing in line and their driving costs. MSRP is simple and clean.

 

I agree with a good portion of your post, but there is nothing simple and clean about assigning values to beers. MSRP may be a good starting point, but then you have to look at release numbers, is it a one time only release, is it brewery only, could people buy 6 or only 1, DOES IT TASTE GOOD , is it a members only beer........ then there's the rarity factor. In the end, the value of a beer is what the two people involved with the trade agree it's worth. This way it doesn't matter that others feel Chocolate Rain is worth $35, as long as your trading partner agrees with your valuation!

 

Agreed completely! That's why I don't do $4$ on a regular basis. MSRP is simple and clean, but doesn't assign what I would consider a TRUE value, just an unbiased $ value. So when we say $4$, MSRP is what we're looking for so we can ignore....

Every factor you mentioned. And every factor you mentioned matters to most people. And some matter to one person more than another person. In trading, I agree that these should be considered. The crock is calling it $4$ in an attempt to show a perception of bias removal and then turning around and trying to inflate your own value and discredit aspects of value from the other trader.

So you are completely right, but those additional values aren't what I'd consider $4$. The values represented aren't TRUE values, they are just suggested numbers from a third party. And that is why I don't like dealing in terms of $4$

 

While $ value is important I don't know that I would care as long as I got a beer I wanted to try. However, I must say that from a personal point of view I can't understand trades where people trade 8:1 ratios or sometimes more. I get that beers are rare...but damn I would much rather enjoy 8 nights of one great beer than one night of an rare beer.

 

$4$ works great for beers of equal rarity, etc. Beers like BVDL obvious doesn't go for $4$ if you are trading beers that are less rare for them. It's pretty basic I think. I don't think it is wrong to ask for more for a rare beer. Obviously M isn't going to trade $4$ unless you have a very rare beer of equal rarity. Otherwise the other person should expect and consider themselves lucky that they can trade over $4$ with less rare beers.

 

It's pretty simple -- as a responsible adult, the number of nights available to enjoy beer (particularly high ABV beer) are unfortunately all too finite, so if you've got more beer than nights, it may be very worth it to trade quantity for quality.

 

Well to a certain degree I can get that but most of the beers I'm talking about don't need to be consumed immediately . Regardless, I still couldn't do it unless I had a large cellar and was dying to try something extremely rare. Take for example Rare. Would love to try it and spending $200 on MBC is absurd so trading an arm and a leg for it might make sense in this instance. But I would only do it for a special occasion like if I found out I was having a kid or it was for my 30th (or insert any other milestone life event). Maybe that's why people are doing it I'm not sure.

 

Chocolate Rain for $70 lol. Good luck with that. OP join date = Feb. 2, 2014. You're gonna do great here.

 

LOL, cause people in Jersey cant be RS members?

Bottom line is, people will perceive the value of a beer as whatever they paid for it. If you paid more than most people around the country, you will likely have to trade your beer at that price (or *gasp* drink it). If you are one of those people that are always trying to trade your beers at the highest markup price, for similar beers at the lowest markup prices, you are a shitty person. Its really simple, and its not hard at all to find out what these beers cost to most people across the country.

 

Unfortunately there are plenty of people that hold beer hostage for exorbitant values well beyond retail prices, whether real or perceived. IMOH, these people are not true BA's, rather they are extortionists preying on the ignorant (i.e. CR for $70). There are those instances where BA's will state "willing to go over $4$", in which case all's fair I suppose. However, I've been fortunate enough to execute trades with fellow BA's that do not employ such nefarious trading tactics. As a result, I have 2 CR's traded at $4$ ($35), they got Pulling Nails. Oh sure, we didn't consider bottle counts, discounts, variable state tax ratios or some other convoluted method of determining value. In fact, one trader was so elated that I didn't **** him for PN that he's holding a Prop for me until our next trade. That's beer karma and it works both ways. Sadly, too many want to "win" instead of simply trading beer for beer. Oh how I wish for the days when we traded for the pure simple pleasure of sharing our collective appreciation for good beer.