German craft beer

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  1. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Tony, you made mention of “but he realized he couldn't dry hop because their tap lines go directly from the lager tanks, which means the hops may be sitting in the beer for weeks, and for him there's no way to remove them except to empty the entire tank.”

    I personally do not keg but plenty of homebrewers who keg will dry hop within the keg and keep the dry hops there for the duration of serving the beer (which could be quite some time). It is perfectly acceptable for dry hops to remain in the lager/serving tank for a period of weeks. Whether Sasha would be comfortable doing so is another matter.

    Cheers!
     
  2. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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  3. -N8

    -N8 Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2014 Germany

    Excellent write up and has me Jonesin' for a business trip back to Wiesbaden soon. I really miss having a local brewery with ever-changing beers like my hometown La Cumbre back in ABQ. Will you be at Faust later in the month for the brewery tour & sampling?
     
  4. spartan1979

    spartan1979 Pundit (970) Dec 29, 2005 Missouri

    Did I read this right (using Google Translate) that this bar in Munich has Three Floyds on tap?
     
  5. danfue

    danfue Initiate (0) Sep 16, 2012 Germany

    Never been there, but I can't find it on their beer menu. Which is quite an impressive one. I wouldn't know where to start, let alone, to end in this bar.
    As good as this is, I wish there were a place like this only for good German beers. The best of Bayern, Franken and all the rest of the country. Imagine 50 Bavarian and Franconian (plus Alts and Kölschs) beers on tap and another 200 bottled ones from there and the rest of Germany in all major cities of the country. I know this is way too much and contradicts the "drink local"-paradigm that I also support, but most Germans are just unaware of what is available in their country.
    This article is quite poor though. I would have expected a bit more from Süddeutsche. Schlenkerla is being dismissed...not everyone may like this, but it would have been worth a mention as an outstanding beer from Bamberg that is not only a local specialty of Oberfranken, but sells very well abroad.
     
  6. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Maven (1,363) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    Early in my time here I was trying to get some friends to join me on my first trip to Bamberg.

    Me: "I'm going to Bamberg to drink smoked beer. Do you know of it?"
    Austrian Friend: "Yes, it's disgusting."
    [end of conversation]

    Different strokes...
     
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  7. spartan1979

    spartan1979 Pundit (970) Dec 29, 2005 Missouri

    I was referring to this in the article:

    Der Kellner bringt dann im schlechten Fall ein pisswassriges Atwater Grand Circus IPA aus Detroit (4,2 Prozent, 0,3 Liter, 4,60 Euro) aus der Flasche, im besten Fall ein frisch gezapftes Floyds Arctic Panzer Wolf (9,5 Prozent, 0,3 Liter, 4,70 Euro). Davon gilt es indes nicht sechs zu trinken an einem Abend, der Panzerwolf macht sich sonst mit einiger Wahrscheinlichkeit am anderen Morgen bemerkbar.
     
  8. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    I know many of you folks like the smoked beers, I also have kept an open mind to these beers but cannot help but laugh at the comparison to burned sausage lost in a grill. My sentiments exactly. Probably the only style I just do not care for.
     
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  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Do you like no smoked beers at all?

    I like beers that have low-medium amounts of smoke (and a smoke flavor that is less reminiscent of smoked meat). If the beer is too smoky, has too much of a smoked meat flavor, or has high levels of smoky phenolics then it is less appealing to my palate.

    Cheers!

    P.S. I know that for most folks smoke beer is polarizing; either you like it or you dislike it. I guess I am a weirdo in that I like some smoke beers but do not care for others.
     
  10. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    To quote Michael Jackson (speaking about Schlenkerla Maerzen): "It is not a reflection of the style, but rather of timorous palates, that some people never learn to appreciate Rauchbier." :wink:
     
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  11. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    My drinking habits have been called everything except timorous. :slight_smile:
     
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  12. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    Did you make it to Bamberg while living/working in Germany? Don't think you ever mentioned it, so I thought I'd ask.
     
  13. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    Actually, no I never did. Which is odd, to be quite honest. I have been seemingly everywhere else in Germany for business and/or pleasure but never made it to Bamberg. I have thought many times about why I never did go, and I think it's simply because (now this will sound ever crazier for Americans) there isn't/wasn't much talk of Bamberg in Germany. I mean no disrespect for Bamberg & it's beer fans and culture, but it isn't/wasn't this "mecca" that Americans seem to think it is, at least among the Germans. Kind of like Neuschwanstein or Rothenburg o.d.T - seems like no Germans go there, just foreigners.

    Hanging out here on the German forum has of course sparked my interest, and would go if I had the time.
     
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  14. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    Let's try and keep it this way. (Yes, I know I do a terrible job of this :wink: )
     
  15. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Maven (1,363) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    If you are worried about this I can tell you this has definitely not been my experience. Schlenkerla is a little touristy, but even at that I've twice sat at a table with locals and had a friendly conversation about Bamberg and environs. Mahr's is out-of-the-tourist-way, as would be Keesman I guess but I've never been there. Mahr's felt like a local hang. I don't remember a lot of tourists at Klosterbräu but then again I don't remember a lot of Germans there, either. Never spent enough time in Fässla or Spezial's main pub to know better, although they are both along the tourist path into town.
     
  16. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    Again, I do not mean to step on feet, I just never heard any of my friends or acquaintances say that they were going to Bamberg to experience the beer scene (or otherwise) the way that Americans do.

    MJ - I do realize that the locals are very energetic about what they have, and support them accordingly.

    For those of you who spent time in Germany - do you have the feeling that the average German knows what is going on in Bamberg?
     
  17. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Maven (1,363) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    I just meant to say that if you're worried about it being overly touristy, that's not the case. No harm done here! :slight_smile:

    "Average German", no. But you know how it is here, local places serve the local stuff because it's fresh and it's pils and who cares beyond that.
     
  18. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    If the normal Schlenkerla rauchbiers aren't your thing, I'd probably try the flagship from Spezial (or the Schlenkerla Krausen) before giving up on the style completely. I *like* the Schlenkerla rauchbiers, but they aren't my absolute favorites, especially in a town filled with great beers everywhere you go. However I could camp out at Spezial or drink Krausen all day.
     
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  19. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    My wife found a recipe for homemade chicken schwarma that called for smoked paprika. I've seen a lot of recent recipes calling for the spice and have wanted to try it in something, so we picked some up for the recipe. When I capped the bottle and took a sniff all I could think of was Rauchbier.

    I understand that sense of "smoked meat" because it's what I first thought of back in the mid-80s when I first tried Kaiserdom Rauchbier, but when I visited Bamberg and tried the beer at the source I found it more smooth and mellow in character -- and highly drinkable over a few afternoons.

    I think we knee-jerk to sausage or bacon when we smell or taste something "smoked" because it's the only comparison we have, but I can't make the comparison anymore, smoked malt is completely different to my senses than smoked meat. Try a Schlenkerla Urbock with a handful of Blue Diamond smoked almonds -- you'll forget all about burned sausage. :slight_smile:
     
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  20. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    #600 herrburgess, Apr 9, 2014
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